Substitute “most people” for “I” if you want to generalize my opinion to others.
Third-party app stores cause security threats to whomever might use them.
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Third-party app stores cause security threats to whomever might use them.
Right, cause Steam, Uplay, Epic are a security threat just cause there's more than one.
Fallacy.
No. We're talking about options.
Something so many people here don't want to have.
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No we were talking about Android vs iOS. Remember?
OP said he didn’t want iOS to turn into android, and you responded “Sooo... you're basically scared that your phone might have extra functionality??”
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Like I said, third party app stores are security threats. No point in bringing iOS down to the sorry state of affairs that is Android.
Are the Steam and Uplay stores available on iOS? Was the Epic Store? No.
They’re all available on macOS, where the restriction of choice to which you object does not exist.
There you go.
It is possible to do it right then.
The reason it's not happening (voluntarily at least) with appstore has nothing to do with security and everything to do with $$.
Android is NOT iOS so that's why I responded the way I did. Just makes no sense and somebody is paranoid without a real reason. Only similarity would be the EXTRA CHOICE. And to make it clear, by similarity I mean it's a phone that can do certain tasks but android vs iOS do them very differently. That ALONE is a reason why the two should never be compared past the superficial behavior.
At the same time If it can be done right on OSX then it can be done on iOS.
It's a damn simple logic.
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Your logic is illogical. So is your post. Reminding you how the conversation went is not a fallacy lol.
If you want to leave the topic of iOS vs. Android, that’s fine.
MacOS is not near as safe or as private as iOS. You have no idea whether a Mac app you download from some random source is going to do what you expect, or delete all your data 🤷♂️
That’s not something iPhone users have to worry about, is it? And that’s the way we like it.
I’m not sure that conclusion necessarily follows. I don’t recall Apple ever asserting the same degree of app security for macOS that they try to assure for iOS. That’s why Apple give macOS users the following choice:
I get that you’d like to have that same choice on iOS (at least that seems to be what you’re asking for, since neither Steam, nor Uplay, nor the Epic Games Store are available through the Mac App Store), but that’s not an option that Apple ever advertised or promised, and for some users, Apple’s locked-down approach to app security is clearly a selling point. Those who chafe at such restrictions have long had the option of buying Android devices.
[Edit] Link removed, Macrumors already posted the news Epic games account terminated
You can still buy games on the Steam phone app (I'm on Android), but the games are PC games that you then download and play on your PC or Mac even. I don't think Steam have to pay 30% on those sales, because if they did, then when you order something from Amazon, or any shopping app, food order app, they'd have to pay 30% too, obviously that doesn't happen.
The "security" treat sounds like its merely securing of profits, I would assume Epic would take care of their own app's security, which is actually insane, then Apple would no longer be responsible for the App store, and if today games app store, tomorrow, why can't another company start selling every other kind of apps? Why can't Google, or Facebook make their own app stores on iOS? Really, I can't blame Apple for protecting their turf.
You can still buy games on the Steam phone app (I'm on Android), but the games are PC games that you then download and play on your PC or Mac even. I don't think Steam have to pay 30% on those sales, because if they did, then when you order something from Amazon, or any shopping app, food order app, they'd have to pay 30% too, obviously that doesn't happen.
The "security" treat sounds like its merely securing of profits, I would assume Epic would take care of their own app's security, which is actually insane, then Apple would no longer be responsible for the App store, and if today games app store, tomorrow, why can't another company start selling every other kind of apps? Why can't Google, or Facebook make their own app stores on iOS? Really, I can't blame Apple for protecting their turf.
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Just cause you can't comprehend my thinking doesn't mean it's illogical lol. It's the easy way out but c'mon
Put some effort at least.**might be that my English is not the best too I guess. Still working on it.
BUT.
Comparing android rules to iOS rules is a fallacy on a fundamental level.
They are operated by polar opposite entities.
You and the original post that you're so tightly hanging onto only assume that expanding iOS store to external sources will make it identical and exploit prone like android.
This logic is flawed from the get go. That's why I brought fear to this because if done right it might be as safe as it is now. On top of that you could still do it the "right" way without any risk and shop on appstore.
I mean seriously. What is WRONG with options?
Nothing, which is why I believe ignorance is what is leading the "leave it as is" charge.
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My point with this three was that not only they are on windows they are also very well curated and safe to use.
Also nobody said anything that apple promised something. This is simply an evolution of current offering. Some people find it too restrictive after they spent thousands of dollars but feel that are being treated like idiots that can't make a educated choice by themselves.
It’s ridiculous to think a third party store for iOS would only bring “options” without opening iOS users up to security threats.Just cause you can't comprehend my thinking doesn't mean it's illogical lol. It's the easy way out but c'mon
**might be that my English is not the best too I guess. Still working on it.
BUT.
Comparing android rules to iOS rules is a fallacy on a fundamental level.
They are operated by polar opposite entities.
You and the original post that you're so tightly hanging onto only assume that expanding iOS store to external sources will make it identical and exploit prone like android.
This logic is flawed from the get go. That's why I brought fear to this because if done right it might be as safe as it is now. On top of that you could still do it the "right" way without any risk and shop on appstore.
I mean seriously. What is WRONG with options?
Nothing, which is why I believe ignorance is what is leading the "leave it as is" charge.
You not understanding that changes nothing 🤷♂️
MacOS is not near as safe or as private as iOS. You have no idea whether a Mac app you download from some random source is going to do what you expect, or delete all your data. Same with Android.
Then download it from the appstore.
Here's your 100% safety based on a CHOICE. Make it default for all I care so those that don't know aren't confused.
I understand this pretty well as it is obvious lol so mind bending and mental gymnastics on this subject just sound ridiculous.
Fact is - You are literally scared but have no actual evidence that what you say is even remotely true.
You just base it off a different operating system, created by a different entity that is running on different hardware.
Yeah. That's fallacy and/or fear. PickUrPoison
And that's actually a reasonable point of view and the highlighted part is 100% true.
Is just $$.
Apple doesn’t care about market share in part, due to the rational presented in the following paragraph.
Apple is successful because they provide a unique environment for their customers. One that encourages, not forces (or milks) their customer base to purchase products that work together. (That isn’t to say their isn’t 100% agreement in that)
I’m expecting the iPhone 12 pricing to be roughly on par with the iPhone 11.
Maybe, maybe not.
There’s no fallacy. You think it wouldn’t be problematic if iOS let anything/everything on their platform. You have absolutely nothing to back up that contention, only your feelings.Then download it from the appstore.
Here's your 100% safety based on a CHOICE. Make it default for all I care so those that don't know aren't confused.
I understand this pretty well as it is obvious lol so mind bending and mental gymnastics on this subject just sound ridiculous.
Fact is - You are literally scared but have no actual evidence that what you say is even remotely true.
You just base it off a different operating system, created by a different entity that is running on different hardware.
Yeah. That's fallacy and/or fear. PickUrPoison
In comparison, I submit the current state of iOS—safety, security and reliability—vs. the current state of Android, Mac and Windows.
Apple’s customers like Apple’s walled garden, stop trying to turn it into Android. My grandma cannot be trained which email links not to click, she clicks them all lol.
Android, MacOS, Windows—name one OS that is as safe, secure and reliable as iOS. You might not think Apple’s restrictions are to thank for the excellence of the iOS ecosystem, but imo you would be 100% wrong.
It’s funny that people actually think the iPhone is secure and that Apple isn’t tracking you 🤣🤣
I did make that choice, I bought into Apple hardware and it’s integrated ecosystem. The other choice is to buy another brand.
You are in luck. That option exists today, it’s called jail breaking. If you want, you can follow a difficult path to install whatever unapproved, janky apps you want. Write your own if you want. Have at it.
Apple and iOS are a premium experience that I choose to pay a premium for. That type of experience costs money. Apple gets that money by my choice and I prefer they have it to manage the products and services successfully as they have been. I enjoy the Apple store. I enjoy Apple events. I like using Xcode to fart around with what little free time I have to play programmer
Fragmentation and lack of control is what makes Android what it is. I choose not to back anything that has the potential degrade the Apple/iOS experience including this bogus con by a software company that wants to be rewarded for violating a contract they agreed to.
So you’ve decided your not a big fan of Apple anymore. Terrific. Don’t let the door hit you. But don’t come trying to Android my iPhone and expect me to agree with you.
Also, I’m specifically calling out android to emphasize my disagreement with your earlier rude response. I don’t begrudge anyone their choice of device. I just don’t want any android devices in my hands.
#dontandroidmyiphone
Then download it from the appstore.
Here's your 100% safety based on a CHOICE. Make it default for all I care so those that don't know aren't confused.
I understand this pretty well as it is obvious lol so mind bending and mental gymnastics on this subject just sound ridiculous.
Fact is - You are literally scared but have no actual evidence that what you say is even remotely true.
You just base it off a different operating system, created by a different entity that is running on different hardware.
Yeah. That's fallacy and/or fear. PickUrPoison
The whole idea of the “walled garden”, the coherent eco system and OS where everything is controlled and works, payment info and handling of personal data that can be trusted, and an App Store almost entirely free from crapware, spyware and viruses - is actually one of the most important reasons why we buy iPhones. Why is this so hard to understand?
They talk as if they were selling something real. It’s virtual money for god dam skins we’re talking about. They can sell it for 10 times less and still be extremely profitable.