Developers don't deserve a lower fee. What the hell is wrong with people? Go complain that Wal-Mart charges you too much. Or gas. Or Pepsi. Gees
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Epic Games, Spotify, and Tile Form 'Coalition for App Fairness' to 'Fight Back' Against Apple
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Developers don't deserve a lower fee. What the hell is wrong with people? Go complain that Wal-Mart charges you too much. Or gas. Or Pepsi. Gees
Yes, Apple suing Prepear over their pear logo is just dumb. It looks nothing alike and goes along with their name. If they are going after a pear logo, why haven't they gone after Applebee's logo too? That one is much more similar to Apple's, leaf and everything...just missing the bite.
Apple and Google sell ecosystems. The phones are a gateway into the ecosystems. There isn't much room for a competing ecosystem primarily on the basis that a new competitor would need to create and maintain an ecosystem that provides benefits that the other ecosystems do not.
This is not unionization — Apple employees have a union. This is like Hinz, Kraft, and Johnson & Johnson demanding from Walmart a larger cut of profits and disregarding what the store does for them for shelf-space, promotion, and undercutting competitors deals (a competitor that still pays Hinz, Kraft, and Johnson & Johnson as well, by the way).
They are complaining because apple has the best store, forgetting that the store in question is the reason they are as popular as they are. I am very for unions but this is not that.
PayPal charges around 3-5% per transaction. I’m guessing developers want to be able to implement their own payment gateways.
If you have valid points, you don’t need to lie in your opening preamble.
Predatory pricing for what? When Apple reduced subscription cut to 15% after year 1 did anyone call it predatory pricing? No.Apple ARE developers
If Apple were to lower their fees, that could be seen as “predatory pricing”. Anyway, I really don’t see any changes Apple makes ending up with ANYthing other than Apple hardware becoming more and more the “default” dominant platform.
Lower prices well under Android? more developers move over.
Allow the same customization as Android? more move over
Allow various app stores, like Android? more move over.
Heck, allow other hardware companies to make iPhone clones?
A lot of folks want Apple’s hardware to become the basis for everything. I’d prefer it didn’t.
"Everyone" is owning, supporting, maintaining hundreds of Exobites of storage, or paying the electric bill, or staff to keep it running either.
Predatory pricing is pricing the cost for the product so low that no other store could compete. Then, once other stores/hardware devices are diminished, Apple just gets bigger and bigger. Even if they split up Apple, you’d have Apple the mobile hardware company and Apple the software company. Since other companies are no longer able to make a profit, they get out of the business. Some folks really want to see Apple hardware as the basis for any future innovations, I don’t.
No one called it predatory pricing, BUT no one called them a monopoly, either. However, it seems that it doesn’t take much for folks to change their minds
This is an interesting group.
Spotify: I believe Spotify does have a legitimate complaint. They should be allowed to tell people that they can sign up for service on their website.
Epic: Epic gives their game away for free on every platform and doesn't want to share the profit. They give Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft a cut of V-Buck purchases in their stores, what's so different about Apple?
Tile: They seem like they're worried their entire business will be destroyed by a yet to be release product from Apple. I think they've been listening to Spotify complaining too much over the years.
Spotify: I believe Spotify does have a legitimate complaint. They should be allowed to tell people that they can sign up for service on their website.
Epic: Epic gives their game away for free on every platform and doesn't want to share the profit. They give Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft a cut of V-Buck purchases in their stores, what's so different about Apple?
Tile: They seem like they're worried their entire business will be destroyed by a yet to be release product from Apple. I think they've been listening to Spotify complaining too much over the years.
Typical of today’s society... a deep sense of entitlement though I’ve no idea where it comes from.
Shut down the app store and work directly with certain developers....akin the store brand.
There is ZERO chance that AAPL could lose control of the App Store over a Price War.
However, there is a good chance they could, & will, IF the general public finds out that Apple has suppressed third-party app innovation !
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However, there is a good chance they could, & will, IF the general public finds out that Apple has suppressed third-party app innovation !
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A "an independent nonprofit organization" created solely to increase the profits of the companies involved.
So, neither independent nor nonprofit.
So, neither independent nor nonprofit.
I guess you have not idea what IT infrastructure is. Servers, storage, electric, staff to maintain said equipment. Network tech, servers are approximately a 5 year lifespan then they become "end of life" and have to be replaced.
An interesting method of suppressing innovation, by providing the tools, platform, and training to innovate. I'd like to see what "encouraging innovation" looks like in comparison, then.
Spotify sucks. Only reason I'm even using it is I listen to Joe Rogans Podcast. Otherwise Spotify sucks for audio quality. I listened to music back to back comparing the same track of music on both platforms. Itunes was far superior. It's still a free market. Create a new ecosystem and start some competition.
Argeed and ecosystems cost a ******** of money to get going...AND support
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Will they ever recover?
A different payment processor doesn’t mean Epic doesn’t owe the 30% lol. As I’ve explained already, the 30% is to pay for licensing of Apple’s valuable IP, other expenses Apple incurs, and also a nice profit for Apple—and of course access to Apple’s customers. Let’s not forget that.
Apple deserves to be paid for all of that, but Epic thinks they should get it all for free. Nope, it costs 30%, just as Epic was quite happy to pay, until they weren’t.
When Epic loses this current court fight, part of the damages will be the 30% Apple is due on every single one of the thousands (or millions) of IAPs that were made during this little stunt Epic pulled.
Monday should be interesting 🤣
PS Have you ever gone to any of the larger chain grocery stores? Most will sell their own house brand of many of their competitors’ products. They even place them side by side, for their customers convenience.
Those house brands are cheaper, right? One of the reasons is that they don’t have to pay the usual 40-50% fee to get their own product onto their own shelves. If people want to buy a box of “Oatie O’s” for $2.59 instead of Cheerios for $3.49, they will.
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Developers have choices, they can choose many other platforms to develop for and completely skip iOS. Where are my rights as a consumer. I don't want to have to search 300 stores to find what I need, I don't want to have to track 300 stores to update my apps, I don't want to give my CC# to who knows who. For those who say, well just don't use the other stores. Everyone will be forced to because most apps will be pulled out of Apple's store and dispersed everywhere.
Apple's method of a closed wall garden is why I choose Apple for my phone. It's the only OS that's run this way so they better not ruin it. Like others wild do, I will boycott, on every platform, any company that joins this coalition. So think twice before joining because it will cost you users.
Apple's method of a closed wall garden is why I choose Apple for my phone. It's the only OS that's run this way so they better not ruin it. Like others wild do, I will boycott, on every platform, any company that joins this coalition. So think twice before joining because it will cost you users.
I'm not sure how this follows. If the market is sorted into two groups-- those who want a curated experience and those who do not-- why do you think there will be a net flow toward Apple when the market looses the option of a curated experience?
People buy Apple products because of the integrated user experience. Take that away and you're hobbling their ability to profit from their core competance.
Apple doesn't really care about marketshare. As a corporation they care about profits and they've shown that they already have the profitable share of the market, why would they jeopardize that? Philosophically they've always believed that they will be most successful by providing the best user experience, so why would they concede to degrading that user experience?
Do you really think the path to a larger marketshare is to add more and trashier trash to the heap?
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Here’s the thing, though, third-party apps can get their third-party app on in a LOT of different places in a lot of different ways. Like, if a company wanted more control over what they were doing, it’d be a mistake to develop for anything other than a PC. If anything innovative is happening, it’s likely running on a PC somewhere.