Google “percentage lease.”
A percentage lease is a type of lease where the tenant pays a base rent plus a percentage of any revenue earned while doing business on the rental premises. It is a term used in commercial real estate.
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Epic Games, Spotify, and Tile Form 'Coalition for App Fairness' to 'Fight Back' Against Apple
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Google “percentage lease.”
A percentage lease is a type of lease where the tenant pays a base rent plus a percentage of any revenue earned while doing business on the rental premises. It is a term used in commercial real estate.
If you checked what they take from artists it’s more then 30%....
You’re wrong. This is a union. The fact that it isn’t employees banding together doesn’t change the ultimate goal of forming together to be stronger than individuals. These app developers are no different than service providers. Apple relies on them being in less powerful positions just like companies rely on employees being weak. what if you had individual contract workers form a union even though they are all LLCs? You’d still call that a union, even though they are seperate companies.
The fact that these smaller players are companies doesn’t mean what they are doing is not forming a union. The only part of my post that you disagreed with is the word I chose, not the overall idea that that Apple is playing a harsh power game over developers just like companies do to employees. These companies are simply playing the power game back at Apple.
They have a list of App Store "principles". Going to list them along with what I think they actually mean:
- No developer should be required to use an app store exclusively, or to use ancillary services of the app store owner, including payment systems, or to accept other supplementary obligations in order to have access to the app store. READ: Stop making me follow rules. Why can't we just do what we want?!?!???!?!?! (we want to create our own App Store so we too can block competition from our store and impose rules on customers that benefit us).
- Every developer should have timely access to the same interoperability interfaces and technical information as the app store owner makes available to its own developers.
- A developer’s data should not be used to compete with the developer. READ: We want to fool the public into thinking we're fighting to provide competition to the market, but we don't actually want competition, not to us! Competition for Apple, yes, but not to us! Leave us little guys alone! (we're only multi-billion dollar companies)
- No app store owner or its platform should engage in self-preferencing its own apps or services, or interfere with users’ choice of preferences or defaults. READ: Stop competing with us!
- No app store owner should prohibit third parties from offering competing app stores on the app store owner’s platform, or discourage developers or consumers from using them. READ: We should be allowed to profit from your customer base that you spent decades building, totally free and without having to follow your rules and regulations.
- No developer should be blocked from the platform or discriminated against based on a developer’s business model, how it delivers content and services, or whether it competes in any way with the app store owner. READ: If we want to abuse users, steal their privacy, and do whatever we can get away with, then its our right to do so! You have no right to "discriminate" against our "business model" (even if it involves plain robbing people). Stop getting in our way!
- Every developer should always have access to app stores as long as its app meets fair, objective and nondiscriminatory standards for security, privacy, quality, content, and digital safety.
- All app stores will be transparent about their rules and policies and opportunities for promotion and marketing, apply these consistently and objectively, provide notice of changes, and make available a quick, simple and fair process to resolve disputes.
- Every developer should always have the right to communicate directly with its users through its app for legitimate business purposes. READ: Let us market to your customers! (Share their data with us too)
- No developer should be required to pay unfair, unreasonable or discriminatory fees or revenue shares, nor be required to sell within its app anything it doesn’t wish to sell, as a condition to gain access to the app store. READ: If you insist on charging for your services (the App Store), that's unfair! Free = fair, remember that (Don't try to apply that to us, we get to charge customers because we're only multi-billion dollar companies).
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Have you worked one second in real life? Skilled labor takes $5 parts and charges you $200 in labor charges. They don't charge for that labor until the time to pay comes up. That's literally how everyone works.
They get their money from their monthly fee. It's like some of you commenting have never worked in real life, and are very young and do nothing but play fortnite all day.............
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These companies want more control than what they’ve currently getting from the App Store, and this is just another in a series of guerrilla warfare tactics being waged in a bid to weaken Apple’s grip over their ecosystem.
It was never about right or wrong.
I suppose it’s telling that I currently don’t use any of their products and services, and they will never get another cent of my money for as long as I live. Companies like Spotify and tile are getting desperate and it shows.
There will be some irony when Apple wins the lawsuit against Epic and uses this as a springboard to asset total and absolute control over the App Store.
I look forward to that day coming.
It was never about right or wrong.
I suppose it’s telling that I currently don’t use any of their products and services, and they will never get another cent of my money for as long as I live. Companies like Spotify and tile are getting desperate and it shows.
There will be some irony when Apple wins the lawsuit against Epic and uses this as a springboard to asset total and absolute control over the App Store.
I look forward to that day coming.
I do not think so. If anything this so called group is engaging in Cartel behaviour in order to force a company to change its pricing for their own benefit.
Well they do get a monthly fee via bill payments. They decide what to charge and charge it.
I'm pretty sure you will find that they definitely have their eyes on all of them, but are starting with Apple, and if they can win that one, the rest will be easy. Apple is the big bad giant at the moment, so in a way, the easiest target to start with.
Yeah let's compare someone setting prices to murder, surely the other guy is the one making dumb arguments
This is a advocacy or lobbying group. They are very common here in the US, not sure about other countries.
It’s quite fine, nothing at all wrong with it. The participants are free to work together and cooperate to achieve their goals, which in this case is to increase the profit of developers (at the expense of Apple) and to weaken the control Apple has over their own platform. They are unlikely to achieve either goal, but they can certainly try their best.
Perhaps interestingly, Apple has the right to remove all these developers from their platform, not that Apple would. But they’re under no obligation to do business with developers who are working against the best interests of Apple and more importantly, us, the Apple’s customers.
Good point, there. I hadn't thought of it through the lens of killing access to the market for smaller less capable devs, but there's probably some truth to that. One thing I find annoying in the AppStore is the copycat apps, and that probably is fueled by mediocre dev companies scanning the top 10 lists and publishing a half dozen knock-offs over a weekend of effort which would be harder to do without a conduit to the user base.
That said, I do remember there being a ton of crap shareware back in the day though. Github is full of half finished or under-maintained projects. I still get emails for various "Mac Bundles" which bundle crap apps together and call it a deal kind of like a CDO. In the modern world, there's a lot less reason to trust what you download from the 'Net as well.
I went and bought ViaCAD recently and downloaded it directly-- that was a rather expensive disaster. There are a half dozen CAD apps that all appear to come from the same code base, making it hard to know what's what, there's no centralized review system like Apple provides where I can look through verified user comments to figure out which is the better implementation, and then once I made the purchase I just keep finding basic bugs that they're "working on as we speak".
What many people want is to have a choice of AppStores though, which I expect would just make your problem worse. You'll have to hunt through the trash apps on multiple trash AppStores looking for the app you want.
I do everything I can to make my Mac purchases through the Mac AppStore-- CaptureOne being the principal exception. I find it easier, safer, and friendlier.
So, I guess I agree that killing off AppStores will help reduce the proliferation of trash-- I just don't personally think it's worth the negative tradeoffs that come with it.
That's the point, it's a different method of payment. If you wanna argue that 30% is too much to take, it's a valid argument but one that's up to the publisher. But using different business methods and tactics to argue against 30% is ridiculous and makes you look like you just got done watching #freefortnite (after finishing middle school today) on youtube and came to whine
And they’d be right. There’s no requirement for Apple to have an App Store or one that’s open to anyone at all. The App Store want even part of the original iPhone platform, it came along later. Jobs didn’t want it, he had to be convinced it was for the best. Best for Apple, their customers and developers.According to most commenters on this thread - yes
Luckily, Apple only charges 15 or 30%, and then only on certain items.
Like Apple takes 30% of pure profit too. Devs, staff, data centres etc. This whole thing is maddening.
Right, because if Apple were to hire astroturfers, that’s the messaging they’d want... 🤣
Tile is toast anyway once Apple releases their tracker device.
The concept was interesting but in the real world it doesn't work very well. I bought the first version which had no replaceable battery thus forcing me to buy the new version. I wanted these to be able to track trade show crates. The problem with the idea is that it only works if other Tile users are nearby. I'm guessing that Apple's version will use the entire installed base of iOS devices to keep track of things thus making it much more useful.
The concept was interesting but in the real world it doesn't work very well. I bought the first version which had no replaceable battery thus forcing me to buy the new version. I wanted these to be able to track trade show crates. The problem with the idea is that it only works if other Tile users are nearby. I'm guessing that Apple's version will use the entire installed base of iOS devices to keep track of things thus making it much more useful.
Maybe Apple should start selling App Store servers. That way these companies can buy the server, the software and the payment gateway but still be connected to the App Store. Then all the company would have to pay for is the internet, the bandwidth and the staff to maintain the system. If the system goes down it would be up to the individual software company to manage it. Then maybe they will see how much work goes into the App Store.
Oh but wait, these companies are making billions and want everything for free.
Oh but wait, these companies are making billions and want everything for free.
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Rethinking my Spotify monthly fee.
If they want to join with Epic File whiners then so be it.
Never thought I would prefer a streaming music service over owning CDs etc but I have. So next step is to choose a streaming service. Picked Spotify to start with to spread my monthly payments and it was the largest. But with this behavior, perhaps time to give something else a whirl.
If they want to join with Epic File whiners then so be it.
Never thought I would prefer a streaming music service over owning CDs etc but I have. So next step is to choose a streaming service. Picked Spotify to start with to spread my monthly payments and it was the largest. But with this behavior, perhaps time to give something else a whirl.
Good luck. The Hippocrates unite.
Is this a medical joke?