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These companies won't be happy until there's other alternative "App Stores" that you could use...all with their bag of malware horrors that we see on Android now. Developers may even forego using Apple's app store and use some alternative app store...one that doesn't do testing of apps. One that doesn't look for malware or rely on some automated algorithm to do it (like Google's now), so then things slip by and we'll see headlines like we see on Android "App that was downloaded a million times was spying on blah blah blah". It happens all the time.


But hey, at least billion dollar companies like Epic won't get any fees charged to them, and that's much more important.
You greatly, greatly overestimate how thorough the App Store’s app review process is. Out of 13 releases of my app — including the first — on the App Store, only one spent more than two hours in review at 210 minutes. The fastest was 7 minutes, one of 3 releases that have been approved in under 15 minutes. Another 4 were approved in less than an hour, and another still came in just above at 63 minutes. One more was done in under 90 minutes.

The crazy thing? Not all of the time spent in the “In Review” status is even spent actually reviewing the app. It makes sense — I’m not sure what someone could even do for over 3 hours in the app I mentioned previously, even closely examining its functionality. Even 10 minutes is a stretch, frankly.

Besides, how do you think Epic Games snuck that code into Fortnite to allow their direct payment option? It got through app review. I’ve said it early and often here — given that the same path could be taken to do far worse, Apple should be grateful that that’s the worst that’s happened.
 
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Like it or not, if you want a piece of the Apple pie (users) then you need to pay the Apple Tax.
It's very simple. If you don't, then you walk.

If you don't agree with the way Apple is running things, then you can stick to Android. The "market" will decide if they want to stick with Apple if Apple doesn't want to play nice.

My guess? Users aren't going anywhere. Apple has the perfect chokehold, and I agree with them.
“Apple tax”. Is that similar to the 40-50% “Walmart tax” suppliers must pay to get onto the shelves of the US’s largest retailer?

ETA: Just read your later post, #220 👍
 
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Of course none of these companies are doing this for their own benefit. Yeah, right. Epic being the mouthpiece of Tencent as a prime example.
 
Indeed (in some countries it is even more than that), but your boss gave you that job, he should have his well-deserved cut on your salary too because without him it would be zero. If more Apple fervent defenders had cool bosses taking that 30% cut, maybe they would see thing differently.
Imagine Elon Musk taking 30% of what’s in your bank account every time you start your Tesla.

Maybe that makes sense in “crazy, irrelevant, random-analogy” world but not here at MacRumors.
 
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Imagine Elon Musk taking 30% of what’s in your bank account every time you start your Tesla.

Maybe that makes sense in “crazy, irrelevant, random-analogy” world but not here at MacRumors.

I am sorry but your analogy isn’t even apples to oranges.... it’s apples to dinosaurs.

not even close to relating.
 
Yes, Apple should be paid for their work - but they shouldn't be paid for the work of others.

That's how ALL stores work.

App Store isn't a farmers market, it's a store like Best Buy.

Best Buy makes a profit off of everyone's work. The software writers, the DVD movies, the refrigerators... all other people's work. They just have a store to control quality and make it easy for us to find everything we want in one place.
 
The amount of blind fanboyism in this thread is just hurting, as if this was a sports match with people cheering for their team. Regardless of ones stance on this topic, Apple is no ones friend here. The only people Apple cares about is their main stakeholders (plus all the minors ones, but only because they have to). Some people behave as if Apple would repay their blind loyalty in any way, despite this being never the case.

Besides that, there is two sides to every coin. And despite those same principles applying to the companies part of that coalition (namely, they only care about themselves), they do raise some valid point. Todays ecosystems, regardless of which form or nature, opened door to a lot of anticompetitive practices. As a customer, in a free market, you should care about yourself primarily, just like those companies do. Making eco systems less restrictive is customer friendly. That does not contradict an App Store which is selective about the software quality, there is ways to still achieve this in a more open eco system.
The amount of blind criticism goes the same way as the blind "fanboyism". The only thing Epic and the others care about is their wallets, after they made a mint from ios apps and then attempted to sabotage Apple. Epic and company are acting no better than the way you say Apple is acting.

As a customer, my view is the app store the way it is, serves the tens of millions in the best way possible. And the cons of "competition" outweigh the pluses of "anti-competitive" (sic) practices.

But to each their own views, I suppose.
 
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Do you really think the path to a larger marketshare is to add more and trashier trash to the heap?

I think that adding the ability to easily download apps from the open internet, the way most people get apps on macOS and Windows, will eliminate a lot of the trash.

App Stores are what have lead to the huge piles of trash apps. Distributing your own app via your own website requires a certain set of skills and passion. This inherently leads to rather high quality software.

App Stores eliminate the need to have skills or passion. They made it much easier to just distribute garbage. App Stores also make it easy to get paid. This gives people a carrot to go and make the trash.

Ease of getting paid was definitely a plus. The increase in desire and ability to distribute trash was a massive negative. As consumers come to know that all the best apps come from the internet and only trash is on the App Store, the number of shoppers on the App Store will decline, and people will stop putting their trash there. Then it'll resemble the macOS App Store... pretty empty. Some good stuff, some trash, and largely nobody will care because everyone will just download whatever they want elsewhere.
 
The amount of blind fanboyism in this thread is just hurting, as if this was a sports match with people cheering for their team. Regardless of ones stance on this topic, Apple is no ones friend here. The only people Apple cares about is their main stakeholders (plus all the minors ones, but only because they have to). Some people behave as if Apple would repay their blind loyalty in any way, despite this being never the case.

Is there someone you mean in particular? I think most people here have no problem with understanding that Apple is a corporation, and as such, it protects its own interests above everything else. I haven‘t seen many posts blindly idolizing Apple.

What a lot of people (including me) are criticizing is the opportunistic and dishonest tactics a greedy corporation like Epic is using in order to strengthen their own position in the market. Lies, defamation, public opinion manipulation and exploitation of children are not instruments “champions of the people” should be using. You might dislike Apples opinionated approach to business but they are at least not using underhanded manipulation and direct breaches of contracts to gain advantage.
 
Imagine Elon Musk taking 30% of what’s in your bank account every time you start your Tesla.

Maybe that makes sense in “crazy, irrelevant, random-analogy” world but not here at MacRumors.

That's a great idea. After all he keeps your Tesla secure with software updates and that costs money /s.
 
That's a great idea. After all he keeps your Tesla secure with software updates and that costs money /s.
He also thinks the value of full self driving is close to $100,000.

But if that’s the price and people will pay it, good for him 🤷‍♂️

PS The tremendous applause when Steve Jobs revealed that Apple was only—yes, only—going to take a 30% cut tells you everything you need to know about what independent software developers had to deal with pre-Apple. 30% was—and still is—a great deal.
 
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So Apple is supposed to maintain the App store and provide security for these developers at what "fair" price? I suspect their objective is free. They should develop their own phone or just sell on Android if they are so unhappy for what they get in return for Apple's 30% fee.
 
Possibly... but the article doesn't read like that's going to happen... it says "and aims to lead legal and regulatory changes with regards to what it says are three key issues". Which basically translates to lobbying.
Possibly. There still is a court case scheduled to start shortly though. Interesting the timing of this relative to the start of the court case.
 
I really do wish sites like this one would quit giving these guys a megaphone. Why we continue to incentivize whining with increased exposure is beyond me.
Because the end of the day MR is a news site, they post the good and bad about Apple. Also this "whining" will only make the App Store better, if you see no issues with how Apple runs the App Store then you are blind. Apple was in a Anti Trust hearing about a month ago for a reason, they exploit developers and don't follow the same rules governed by everyone else.
 
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These whiney bitches need to grow a pair and figure out how to compete on their own terms within the rules that are presented to them. I already have the 'freedom' to choose Spotify if I want to but I don't because their software is clunky and bloated with too many features.
Thats where the issue is, there is no freedom on the App Store. If Apple doesnt want your app in there it wont be, the very same thing that was said at the Anti Trust hearing about a month ago is the very same thing Apple did. You should listen to it, it's a very nice chuckle for a company that thinks because you put developers in a corner you have full control. Like it or not the App Store will see major changes in the next few years. The Court Case is pending now.
 
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Thats where the issue is, there is no freedom on the App Store. If Apple doesnt want your app in there it wont be, the very same thing that was said at the Anti Trust hearing about a month ago is the very same thing Apple did. You should listen to it, it's a very nice chuckle for a company that thinks because you put developers in a corner you have full control. Like it or not the App Store will see major changes in the next few years. The Court Case is pending now.
Things may change, change slightly or major changes may be involved, or things may not change for Apple in the way the app store operates. It depends how the court cases go.

All of this hubris is not an indication anything will change.
 
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