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Epic Games Store Launches on iPhone in EU, Brings Fortnite Back to iOS
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It probably could Indeed. Considering with access to the hardware we could install a modified version of iOS and it would be infinitely easier.How about Apple sell you an iPhone without any OS installed and you find a way to load whatever you want?
They allow you to install something other than iOS but you miss out on iOS.
That would meet your needs, surely?
You own the hardware. And can do whatever you like with it.
Do I need to give you a list of a hundred games? They are examples.
Why would I ever do that? I want them to have the option to choose. If they only want to sell on switch or iOS/Windows/Mac epic store it should be up to them. If they want to sell in 1 or 100 stores they can do that.
Can I not wish for more innovation? Tesla and Civic provides competition and brings innovation
If you’re protecting adults from adult content on the basis of what’s good for children seems to be childish.
Asking the question isn’t subjective. Do you think the games are morally questionable?
Hmm your partner dies from food poisoning in a Disney restaurant….
No he agreed to arbitration 10 years ago when he tested Disney+… so you can’t drag us to court.
So if your partner died eating at the Apple campus cafeteria, but you agreed to the Apple II ToS agreement 47 years ago and he agreed we can’t be sued….
And ToS is enforceable in EU, if you agree to it before purchasing the goods. With some limitations obviously.
I’m not so sure why you should be forced to infinite arbitration when something completely unrelated to the product happens in a separat service
Sure wish for as much innovation as you want. Doesn't mean it will be delivered to your standards.
Tesla does anyway. Civic is one among the range of compact sedans.
The platform owner is allowed to do that. There are rules galore on private property. You may not agree to them, but then don't go on the private property.
For some people it could be. But the posted list was subjective. We all know there aren't just 10 games.
That's not even in the same realm as a TOS relating to an online service.
Same comment as above...honestly was kind of a childish take on it. Now aware of any legalese that protects a company from malfeasance.
The TOS should be enforceable before the goods are used even after purchase. But there should be a mandatory return period allowed.
Because it is what it is.
Disney can say whatever they want unfortunately but a common sense judge should see through it.Well would you agree with Disney’s TOS?
His wife is kind of childish wouldn’t you say, he should have signed that ToS
The reason it says Piccolo must be compelled to arbitrate? A clause in the terms and conditions he signed off on when he created a Disney+ account for a monthlong trial in 2019.
Disney says man can't sue over wife's death because he agreed to Disney+ terms of service
Disney says man can't sue over wife's death because he agreed to Disney+ terms of service
Jeffrey J. Piccolo filed a wrongful death lawsuit after his wife, Dr. Kanokporn Tangsuan, died after she consumed food containing allergens at a restaurant in Disney World.www.nbcnews.com
tbh I really don't get why some people are so hostile towards Apple being forced to open to third party app stores. Can you please list a couple of ways this would damage those who want to continue using exclusively the apple appstore?
I don’t have any standards, I just want store competition so it might happen.
And so does all the other car companies who offers the best car for customers.
Yes, and I agree, but I still think the rules are childish and would benefit from competition. Just how we got game streaming and simulators finally in the store.
Well some kind of examples must be provided
Well perhaps you should read the think you responded to, as that’s what a happend.
Disney seeks to dismiss wrongful-death suit over app’s fine print
The company says the terms of service Jeffrey Piccolo agreed to when he signed up for Disney Plus prevent him from suing over his wife’s death at a restaurant.
www.washingtonpost.com
A person died from food poisoning at a Disney park, the widow is suing Disney and
In a current lawsuit, on behalf of his dead wife after she suffered a fatal allergic reaction, allegedly from a meal she ate at a park restaurant in 2023. Disney has asked the court to move the dispute to arbitration, meaning the case would not go before a jury or otherwise continue in court.
To make the argument, Disney is pointing to a subscriber agreement the widower allegedly entered when signing up for Disney+ that included an arbitration clause.
I don’t think that’s fair when it comes to purchasing something. Just like buying a car, you should be allowed to include a ToS that states you are only allowed to drive it on fridays and not pets are allowed, or you should return the car.
A contract should be enforced before purchase is completed
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EU is the best thing in human evolution
I'm European and I want just one store. I also want a closed system for uniformity and simplicity.
I'm not entitled to having just one store, but I wish I were.
One store is simple. That's what I want. Also I liked censorship, but it should have been a censorship on quality much more than content.
Sometimes I don't like the seller but I like or need their products. Also I don't want the developer to able to communicate with me unless it's absolutely necessary to use their app or service.
With Apple's App Store you could trust on Apple to act as a shield between you and the seller. I
And the power was entirely Apple's or delegated to users. A good thing for me since Apple's interest much more often aligns with my own interest.
I guess, it’s the other way around: I‘m going to sell my Samsung Tab and buy an iPad.
Fortnite was the main argument for Android for me after years of Apple-only smartphones and tablets.
Not sure what country you live in, but literally everyone of those games outside of GTA: Chinatown is available in the US app store. And no, what I consider questionable would be games and software relating to hate speech and politics violence.
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We really should be able to sideload software without the need of App store. That said, I still believe that Apple is entitled to some amount of money for using its IP.
Just because one set of rules worked at the beginning doesn’t mean it should continue that way. Samsung don’t still sell fruit and veg.
Apple actually do give developers a fair deal. But smartphones of all OSes have gone from expensive toys to an everyday necessity. At the same time the market is not measured in billions of users.
That is to say there is no reason why there should not be rival stores on the platform. It would be great if i could have Steam or GOG on my Xbox so that I’m not limited to the prices of just one point of sale. In an all digital marketplace this is of vital importance.
The thing with games consoles is that there is 90% parity between platforms. Whilst I would like Steam and GOG on my Xbox, I do have the choice of buying a Steamdeck or a PlayStation which has most of the same software.
My view is that from everything I"ve read the ios app store is legal and I'm against this legistlation (DMA)
That doesn't mean the government should step in and force Honda to make the civic the performance equivalent of another higher priced car for the money of the civic.
But again, it's forcing a business owner to do things they don't want. It's a non-political thread so I'll leave it at that.
As I said above I don't think you sign away (or TOS away) malfeasance or negligence. In this unfortunate case, the article made it sound as if the wife had an allergy to something in the food. But if Disney were to be found negligent (such as peanuts in a product where there is a sign saying peanut free foods) I would hope the lawsuit could proceed. But we will have to watch this and check back-in (if we are both still around) to see how this develops.Well some kind of examples must be provided
Well perhaps you should read the think you responded to, as that’s what a happend.
Disney seeks to dismiss wrongful-death suit over app’s fine print
The company says the terms of service Jeffrey Piccolo agreed to when he signed up for Disney Plus prevent him from suing over his wife’s death at a restaurant.
A person died from food poisoning at a Disney park, the widow is suing Disney and
In a current lawsuit, on behalf of his dead wife after she suffered a fatal allergic reaction, allegedly from a meal she ate at a park restaurant in 2023. Disney has asked the court to move the dispute to arbitration, meaning the case would not go before a jury or otherwise continue in court.
To make the argument, Disney is pointing to a subscriber agreement the widower allegedly entered when signing up for Disney+ that included an arbitration clause.
I don’t think that’s fair when it comes to purchasing something. Just like buying a car, you should be allowed to include a ToS that states you are only allowed to drive it on fridays and not pets are allowed, or you should return the car.
A contract should be enforced before purchase is completed
Celebrated as it may be, particularly by some Americans, this "doing everything as long as it's not explicitly outlawed" style of greedy a$$hole capitalism isn't appreciated everywhere else in the world.
Companies should provide fair value to their shareholders, their consumers, other businesses and society. And there's a wide spectrum along how that's interpreted slightly differently among different countries, societies and cultures in the world. Which will eventually create their own rules and laws.
Doesn't matter - as long as there's only two relevant operating systems and stores in the market.
...and that, for me, is Apple.
I like the idea and how their App Store is run - though never liked their monopoly (on iOS). And never liked their monopoly on macOS hardware, particularly since it's become non-upgradeable - and their MacBooks still offer the same storage capacity as their second-least expensive tier in 2012.
👉 Yes. Because we're not living in 2008 anymore.
Because cause economies of scale mean prices and transaction costs are going down in competitive markets - to the benefit of consumers and other businesses alike.
We don't use have 2008's technology anymore, we don't have 2008's internet speeds anymore - and we don't pay 2008's rates for internet access or calling anymore.
And would you buy a car that had this TOS? Assuming no, which I think is safe bet for every car buyer, the market would work perfectly to take care of that.
These threads simply ignore that there is such a thing as market forces. Apple competes in an incredibly competitive market in the EU, and only has about 25% market share.
The sky is falling narrative that is being sold to grant the EU unprecedented power to shape a company is much, much, much ado about nothing.
Stop ignoring the market.
You give too much credit to Apple for "modern App Store model". There is nothing special about it. App stores predate Apple App Store. The reason they were not as popular had nothing to do with the "model". It was because the overall technology was not there yet. The quality of apps on slow processors and low resolution monochromatic screens over GPRS was not that enticing. It took development of semiconductor tech, high resolution color capacitive screens and wireless tech for smartphones to take off. Apple had nothing to do with any of it.
You know my answer. Don’t buy their products for whatever reason the product doesn’t work for you.
And apple has, no ifs ands or buts. Just because you don’t like their business model doesn’t mean apple hasn’t provided value.
And will ultimately against them.
It’s only relevant in your mind. There is no barrier to entering the cell iPhone market other than cash, brains and fortitude. Similar to many lines of business. Popularity is not a crime. Yet.
There is no monopoly.
Just an opinion line many others in this board.
It was because apple threw its weight behind its App Store that made it popular.
It’s interesting to see how every factor except the obvious one was cited.