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Epic Games Store Launches on iPhone in EU, Brings Fortnite Back to iOS
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So what’s your problem then? Nobody forces you to use different stores. That’s what you people don't seem to get.
@Abazigal Both, unfortunately Apple
made that’s its pretty annoying switching back to another vendor.
You clearly don't know how terrible some of these developers are. For a hardware device I own, Apple refused the iOS app and the developer was blaming Apple that we didn't have an iOS yet. As few users were pointing out, the app must be crap if Apple refuses it.
Later when the app got approved after more than a year, it looks like Apple still should have rejected it because the app is till this day a piece of crap app.
And you see it also in general, iOS apps are better than Android apps because Apple has a much higher quality control standard.
Well, this will be gone when developers will move their apps out of the App Store and no longer have to meet the quality control standards that Apple has set.
If you read the text it states: reason for initial rejection or delay. GTA Chinatown is also available.
Indeed and I agree.
Well to be fair I would go on your side, they can always leave if they don’t like the regulations.
Yea the wife did have an allergy to peanuts and other things, and had confirmed multiple times if it was possible to be made without it, if the food provided was safe to eat as claimed.
Depends some I would rent. But many times companies sell things with illegal restrictions and then you challenge it.
Indeed Apple is competing in an competitive market, but the market that iPhone competes with is. It the same as what the AppStore competes with.
Example: Mac competes against pc, and windows competes against MacOS.
But Mac AppStore doesn’t compete against Windows or anything. It competes with the epic store and steam etc.
You are aware steam is actually the ones who revolutionized the store market. They mad people trust online purchase.
Well in such a world provide a superior product and service. Make it like steam, make it like MacOS regarding installing third party apps and store fronts.
let's see you make a modified version of iOS. ON YOUR OWN. Not stealing Apple's IP and making them deliver it.
you want to buy the hardware and install anything, then go the whole hog.
It has begun.
Rocket League Sideswipe is being removed from the Play Store next week
With the launch of the Epic Games Store on Android, it’s been announced that Rocket League Sideswipe will be removed...9to5google.com
I called this a long time ago and was called crazy... "no one will leave the main stores". LOL.
The follow up responses will be "if you don't like the store, buy another app", funny how that sounds like "if you don't like the closed ecosystem buy another phone" but they don't like that. Others will say "it is only 1 game, who cares" but as @Abazigal stated "it has begun".
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And you know mine: I have to buy a smartphone with a reasonably compatible OS.
And iOS works better for me than Android.
Heck, even the Apple App Store works reasonably well for me - though I strongly support it not being the only way of distributing iOS apps.
There is with regards to operating systems: A lack of third-party apps, that no one is going to overcome even with billions of investment (unless you make it a clone or fork of an existing OS, namely Android). If not even Microsoft could, who else could?
There is (in the E.U. used to be, but de fact still is):
Apple has a monopoly for distribution of iOS apps to consumers.
No - competition driving down transaction costs has been widely observed as fact in competitive markets.
Well then you answered your own reservations. Gotta pick the best of the worst and live with the shortcomings.
That makes the market difficult. Not constrained by regulations, but constrained by money, time and expertise. Not at all unique in the business world.
Yes, iOS owns the iOS App Store. And Honda has a monopoly on the manufacture of accords.
Often leading the manufacturer to have a reduced profit. Healthy competition by improving product, improving efficiencies, streamlining generally works not competition by government regulation playing robin hood with someone else’s assets.
There is a certain poetic irony to all of this.
On one hand, developers refusing to support a third platform (eg: Windows Phone) certainly helped contribute to said duopoly. Now they are the ones complaining that there is nowhere for them to go. Maybe the EU should also pass a law mandating that if there ever is a third entrant in the smartphone market, all developers in the EU have to release apps for it as well within 6 months of their app being available on iOS and Android or something.
I mean, that's what the EU excels at after all - regulation.
Second, you all want what Apple doesn't want to offer, and yet you all persist in supporting the iOS platform over another platform which does in fact offer that freedom.
I guess that's life in a nutshell. It's all about choices, nobody appreciates being told that they can't have it all, and here we are. Nothing to add here, just an observation I thought was interesting.
The arguments just go around and around...
Everything you buy is a compromise. Everything.
If you made and designed something yourself, it would still be a compromise usually.
Cost of materials, time to develop, market, advertise... all finite resources that need juggling.
iOS devices are designed to work for the maximum number of people well enough that they can be made on a large scale for economic reasons. Tailoring a product to suit a smaller group or per person would cost a fortune.
iOS lets you play with some things to tailor the experience.
Options for most people.
And being inclusive for people with visual or other handicaps.
It's made a huge impact of quality of life for many.
But playing a certain game or letting you access the hardware isnt mainstream.
The average person on the street isnt demanding this.
You aren't special.
You are tech knowledgeable and you go in buying a product knowing what it can and cant do.
If you don't then that is on you. The rules applied before you bought it. Why should they change after?
It's not even a first gen AppStore experience.
Yes it has changed a little over the years but it is still the AppStore where Apple controls what goes in there.
And with a million apps, they arent that restrictive.
It's been this way for over a decade.
You cannot claim to be ignorant of that fact when buying a device.
Even arguing about a few apps that were INITIALLY knocked back... initially.
devs sometimes push the boundaries or didnt implement things correctly.
They make changes and get apps in the store if they want to get exposure.
Does a game need graphic violence? Many times it is the game play itself that sucks badly. Poor controls.
Hiding behind "oh we had to reduce the graphic content to meet the guidelines" is a lame excuse.
And if you really dont agree with the content rules, you can still publish on a huge list of other platforms.
Not having an iOS app isnt going to cost you that much business if you have all other bases covered and its a game or app people want. iOS devices are great at many things but not everything.
Everything you buy is a compromise. Everything.
If you made and designed something yourself, it would still be a compromise usually.
Cost of materials, time to develop, market, advertise... all finite resources that need juggling.
iOS devices are designed to work for the maximum number of people well enough that they can be made on a large scale for economic reasons. Tailoring a product to suit a smaller group or per person would cost a fortune.
iOS lets you play with some things to tailor the experience.
Options for most people.
And being inclusive for people with visual or other handicaps.
It's made a huge impact of quality of life for many.
But playing a certain game or letting you access the hardware isnt mainstream.
The average person on the street isnt demanding this.
You aren't special.
You are tech knowledgeable and you go in buying a product knowing what it can and cant do.
If you don't then that is on you. The rules applied before you bought it. Why should they change after?
It's not even a first gen AppStore experience.
Yes it has changed a little over the years but it is still the AppStore where Apple controls what goes in there.
And with a million apps, they arent that restrictive.
It's been this way for over a decade.
You cannot claim to be ignorant of that fact when buying a device.
Even arguing about a few apps that were INITIALLY knocked back... initially.
devs sometimes push the boundaries or didnt implement things correctly.
They make changes and get apps in the store if they want to get exposure.
Does a game need graphic violence? Many times it is the game play itself that sucks badly. Poor controls.
Hiding behind "oh we had to reduce the graphic content to meet the guidelines" is a lame excuse.
And if you really dont agree with the content rules, you can still publish on a huge list of other platforms.
Not having an iOS app isnt going to cost you that much business if you have all other bases covered and its a game or app people want. iOS devices are great at many things but not everything.
Perhaps have a look at what Android looked like BEFORE iOS came along... and see how different it became shortly after Apple released their device.
Changing and adding features happens with all devices. Cars, tvs and pretty much any consumer item.
Go watch "The Devil Wears Prada" where Streep explains to the naive non-fashion newbie how one high end magazine decision flows through all the way to the low end within a short period. You dont choose what colour clothes you wear, someone, somewhere picks what the fashion trends will be.
If the market see wireless charging is great, this is going to flow on to other devices.
Regardless of who implemented it first. It comes down to feature parity.
It’s not ironic.There is a certain poetic irony to all of this.
On one hand, developers refusing to support a third platform (eg: Windows Phone) certainly helped contribute to said duopoly. Now they are the ones complaining that there is nowhere for them to go. Maybe the EU should also pass a law mandating that if there ever is a third entrant in the smartphone market, all developers in the EU have to release apps for it as well within 6 months of their app being available on iOS and Android or something.
I mean, that's what the EU excels at after all - regulation.
Second, you all want what Apple doesn't want to offer, and yet you all persist in supporting the iOS platform over another platform which does in fact offer that freedom.
I guess that's life in a nutshell. It's all about choices, nobody appreciates being told that they can't have it all, and here we are. Nothing to add here, just an observation I thought was interesting.
iOS have one giant flaw but hundreds of great features.
Android have 1 great feature, but hundreds of unacceptable flaws.
Of course we push for the one that is easier to push
That's a good thing, no? That's why we want to have a competition. If Apple wants to keep the developers, they have to lower the fees.
List the flaws and features list for us...
There is hardly a huge gap between iOS and Android.
If you REALLY wanted to you can do the same thing on both OSes...
So I'm really keen to see the hundreds. Thanks in advance...
Well that’s how jailbreaking is donelet's see you make a modified version of iOS. ON YOUR OWN. Not stealing Apple's IP and making them deliver it.
you want to buy the hardware and install anything, then go the whole hog.
what fee would be acceptable to you?
And how did you arrive at that fee? you know all the costs in setting up the store and running it?
And we all know who the current store compares to the old retail chain model. Even 30% is a huge improvement over what software devs youd to be charged back in pre AppStore days.
no it's not. jailbreaking is still using Apple's IP.Well that’s how jailbreaking is done
you keep saying it's your hardware and you can do what you want.
let's make that happen.
but dont count on Apple doing anything that supplying you with an empty device you can install whatever you want.
They are under no obligation to sell you their IP which they currently licence to you. You dont own it.
What you really what is to use their IP for free... admit it
I don't find it a good thing at all. I don't want 50 app stores on my devices... ok that was hyperbole, but one could be required to have Epic, Steam, Amazon, Microsoft, Meta, Google, etc on their device. Every one of these stores has all your personal info, hoovers more data from your device(s), payment info and we will lose the following:
1) One stop shop for app searches and reviews. There is nothing fun about web searching for apps.
2) One stop shop for purchase/payments. If only 1 processor has your info you are less likely to experience a "breach" than if 20 stores and sites have your payment info.
3) One stop shop for managing subs.
4) One stop shop for updates
5) Data privacy scorecards. Do you really think any of the above stores will require these as Apple did? Meta isn't going to tell you 💩 about what they are collecting.
etc.
Add to this list the number of apps that will go it alone on their sites because they feel they are big enough or because they thing the PC/Mac way is better. Now you have even more data scattered around the web using god knows what payment processor.
None of this is good for consumers, prices for consumers will not come down, privacy is sacrificed, experience suffers.
Said another way: if the devs want their revenue stream on iOS, they have to stick with apple. Let ‘em go to android.
As an analogy,
If Honda wants to sell more cars, they should lower the price. No?
Any single legal case supporting this.
This is exactly how the jailbreaking community have done things since day 1. No help, not manuals; just figuring out how it works to do something else with it.
iOS is provided for free… by Apple. You can download it in iTunes…. If Apple was selling it you would have a point.
And the Federal government even agreed in 2010.
https://www.wired.com/2010/07/feds-ok-iphone-jailbreaking/
Yeah, one stop search would be great.
Please don‘t let it be provided by Apple though - cause their search in the App Store is a hot pile of garbage.
I never use the App Store functionality - always the web or a few trusted sites.
Legislators and regulators will take care of that and force Apple to open up.
Give me another downvote or lol emoji all you want.
Within ten years, you’re going to have it in the U.S. as well (See how optimistic I’m being there, lol?).