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In a rare twist, it turns out that the EU are neither communists nor chauvinists. They just wanted Fortnite on their iPhones ;)
I hope you’re not implying there are people who think the EU is communist.

Ahh yes. Like forcing everyone to through away millions of perfectly working fine Lighting cables for USB-C ones! Thanks EU! More waste
Switching to USB-C was the best decision ever. They should make it mandatory for even more device categories.

And the EU did ask nicely for years before making mandatory.
 
American tech companies are crooked as F, and need to be knocked down several pegs, across the board.
It’s okay to criticize but don’t use their products. There is only so much knocking down that can be done before they lose the essence of what makes them. But again don’t use their products send a message with your $$$.
Every single one of them. I absolutely loathe the tech industry and their rent-seeking practices. I can't stop using them, but I can push for our government to stand up to them.
Then go for that avenue. I can stop using them. I wouldn’t expire, but my digital communications wouldn’t be as fluid. And my searches would be ****.
Car companies used to do the same, but now rules (laws) exist to allow 3rd party repairs, diagnostics, modifications, upgrades, parts, without issue, and without voiding the warranty.
Because you don’t license a car. It’s a universal theme you license software even though you own the hardware.
Why is the tech industry so special that they should be exempt?
See above.
 
Right - let me uproot my digital existence, strain communication between me and my loved ones, and have to spend hundreds (if not thousands) on new hardware to prove a point.
One needs to do what one needs to do.
Fact of the matter is that I buy what works best for me, even if it means buying from a company I don't 100% agree with. Things in real life aren't as simple as single issues.
True enough and fair enough.
 
That analogy doesn't hold up cause Nintendo owns zelda and they don't want Zelda on Xbox.
Sure it does. It's not fair Nintendo has games I want to play on my Xbox. They are both game consoles so it makes no sense.

Waaaahhhhh I can't play Halo on my Switch. THATS NOT FAIR
 
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From the Epic Website:
Is the Epic Games Store for iPhone free to install?
The Epic Games Store is free to install and install, and at launch has Fortnite, Fall Guys and Rocket League Sideswipe available to download and play for free with optional in-app purchases available. In the future, you’ll be able to purchase new products directly through the app, and get weekly free games and/or content packs.

So, not only can you install for free, you can also install! Which, at least they’re not fleecing their customers like that other Alternative Store.
 
Apple wanted to take a 30% cut. Many found that greedy. Now they are forced to host third-party app stores. Apple won't regret the billions it has made in the meantime, but it means their platform has become regulated in ways that make future innovations in exclusivity all but impossible.
Apple can still innovate in exclusivity. As long as those new products are not made available to EU citizens, then it doesn’t come under the DMA.
 
You have. It is also on Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo Switch and you can play it for free through xCloud on Game Pass (without needing a sub) and GeForce Now.

So you have heaps of choices where to 'buy' it (it is free). Everywhere except the App Store because Apple does not want it. That is not an Epic problem.
That same argument gets a big NO from DMA folks. You have those other platforms available, so why make Apple support third party app stores?
 
But where those are?🕵️‍♂️

Literally nothing new since 2012. Countless subway surf and jungle run copies. Not a single GTA port since then, and we are approaching v6 already.

With that being said, I am not a Fortnite fan at all. Free2play games have no right to exist
Yet people complain nonstop Macs don’t get the latest games released a day ago. But think it’s stupid for Macs to get Death Stranding and games a few years old.
 
It won’t hold. In 5 years or so when it’s all settled and absolutely nothing real happens tech will have moved on.
They'll be/are collectively known as "Big Tech" so that any politician can blame them for the world's problem without the pesky burden of proof or specifics.
 
Even now, Apple excludes a bunch of devices that could run Fortnite years ago by forcing iOS 18 requirement on iPads.
 
It’s okay to criticize but don’t use their products. There is only so much knocking down that can be done before they lose the essence of what makes them. But again don’t use their products send a message with your $$$.

Then go for that avenue. I can stop using them. I wouldn’t expire, but my digital communications wouldn’t be as fluid. And my searches would be ****.

Because you don’t license a car. It’s a universal theme you license software even though you own the hardware.

See above.

Said software license that locks out the end user shouldn't be legal or allowed. Should anything they say be okay just because they put in a TOS? How about putting a clause in there that you wont disparage Apple using any of their hardware, otherwise they can ban you, would that be fine? How about the TOS ties the particular device to one user for life, and it can never be transferred or sold, except by Apple directly. Would that be okay?

One-sided TOS "contracts" are one of the worst inventions of the entire industry, and they won't (legally) be around be around forever..I'm sure of it.
 
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I’m proud to say that I’ve not once ever played this game!

That’s it!

My little badge of honor. A pat on the back.

Thanks!
 
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Said software license that locks out the end user shouldn't be legal or allowed.
That’s another debate. But I think as long as there are alternatives vote with your $$$. You have (with apple) a two week return period.
Should anything they say be okay just because they put in a TOS?
It depends on the product/service. As you know I’m a vote with your $$$ person.
How about putting a clause in there that you wont disparage Apple using any of their hardware, otherwise they can ban you, would that be fine? How about the TOS ties the particular device to one user for life, and it can never be transferred or sold, except by Apple directly. Would that be okay?
Nobody is stopping you from doing what you want with their hardware. Except as regulated by law you can’t do certain things with software. One example, decompile windows and sell the source code.
One-sided TOS "contracts" are one of the worst inventions of the entire industry, and they won't (legally) be around be around forever..I'm sure of it.
That will result in a diminished experience as software creators will develop in a different way. IMO. I get these TOSs are not your cup of tea, but there are literally hundreds of cell phone manufacturers to choose from that could give you the experience you want.
 
I want a closed platform system and I'm willing to pay for it. There is a company willing to supply that closed platform system. Why do you want to prevent a company from making a product that I (and many others) want?

Ideally, the door should be there, but closed by default. The end user would have the option to open the door if they so pleased, with it remaining closed otherwise.
 
You're missing the point; I own the hardware. That's all the matters, end of story. Apple doesn't own it, I do. I didn't license the hardware, or rent it, or finance it, I bought it.

No company should be able to dictate what I do with my possessions. Not a single one.
Apple's ability to legally prevent you from doing whatever you want with your purchased hardware falls somewhere between ambiguous and nonexistent. In the US, iPhones are currently covered under the exemptions for the DMCA's anti-circumvention rules, which essentially means it is legal for you to jailbreak and put whatever software you want on it. Obviously this is referring to law, which is why it could be ambiguous. Mileage may vary on this from country to country depending on applicable laws.

I think most legal opinion seems to be that Apple could potentially stop you from modifying iOS, but not stop you from loading whatever you want on the hardware.

So, the reality is that Apple can not dictate what you do with the hardware, including loading software. What you are describing is compelling Apple to modify the software they own, that you license, in a manner that you deem best.
 
Ideally, the door should be there, but closed by default. The end user would have the option to open the door if they so pleased, with it remaining closed otherwise.
Why should the company be compelled to include a feature they deem bad design. I understand for safety reasons, I'm not saying an auto manufacture shouldn't be required to have seatbelts. I'm not suggesting that regulation has no place in business. But I don't think we should have regulators dictating design choices outside of consumer safety.
 
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