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I think “disaster” would be for them to approve, there is no biz need for Apple as they don’t get a cut and it will make them look stupid in their appeal process. After all that appeal process is about revoking the external payment links…
They actually will get a cut, if you looked into it you would see they are offering customers a option to use IAP or epic pay services.
 
if he was lying, it would literally make him look bad if there was any future case with a appeal.
Tim Sweeney clearly has no reservations about shooting his mouth off on social media. Being loud and first on twitter doesn't automatically make you right, I can't help but wonder why so many people have chosen to treat his tweets as gospel, and I am glad that Apple representatives have the discipline to not engage with him in petty barbs online.
 
Hey Apple, you own the App Store, you should define the price. Accept the APP and set the price accordingly. If they have external links you can increase the price.

You own the store, you define the price!
 
It would make Apple actually look bad, why would they tell them to submit it just to decline it? It would mean disaster for the future of their case. Be real. The fact epic consulted apples own lawyers would show they did the correct process only for Apple to shoot themselves in the foot if they decline it.
You’re taking Sweeney’s obvious attempt to influence public opinion as a fact. He is a known liar so I don’t believe a word he says until I hear Apple confirm it.
 
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I mean everyone knows Epic is ran by a bunch of sociopaths, so them lying in public isn't above their pay grade, so to speak.

Apple needs to open their app store worldwide, not just in the EU. This is not a "well just go buy android then" issue, a lot of people like iphones and some of them run businesses on apple infrastructure, which you can imagine is not easy to replace.
 
Absolutely. Said another way, epic attempted to defraud Apple.
If epic attempted to defraud Apple
Then why is there now payment links with zero commission now allowed on iOS in the USA App Store?
Because is that not what epic kind of did in the first place to then get kick off
 
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If epic attempted to defraud Apple
Then why is there now payment links with zero commission now allowed on iOS in the USA App Store?
Because is that not what epic kind of did in the first place to then get kick off
I see it as two separate matters.

1) Epic did so at a time when it was still not legal yet to do so.

2) This is also is why Apple is filing an injunction even as they apply for an appeal - because it can be argued that Judge Yvonne may have overstepped her authority here in issuing the ruling that she did.

I see no reason to conflate the two.
 
Tim Sweeney clearly has no reservations about shooting his mouth off on social media. Being loud and first on twitter doesn't automatically make you right, I can't help but wonder why so many people have chosen to treat his tweets as gospel, and I am glad that Apple representatives have the discipline to not engage with him in petty barbs online.
It’s not that individuals treat Tim Sweeney’s word as gospel
It’s more to do with what he is saying is in line with what other companies have said to governments investigating Apple for practices on iOS
The reason why Apple don’t engage with Tim Sweeney online is because no good will come of it
 
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I see it as two separate matters.

1) Epic did so at a time when it was still not legal yet to do so.

2) This is also is why Apple is filing an injunction even as they apply for an appeal - because it can be argued that Judge Yvonne may have overstepped her authority here in issuing the ruling that she did.

I see no reason to conflate the two.
just to be clear what he is being accused of by individuals is now being allowed on the USA iOS App Store
So much that not only epic but other developers are now putting in updates to their apps to now allow the thing he was kick off for
So essentially according to this he actually did nothing wrong
 
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So essentially according to this he actually did nothing wrong
Person A smoked weed 4 years ago when it was still a chargeable offence to do so.

The government subsequently legalises weed a few years later.

Just because it is legal to do so now doesn't change the fact that an offence had still been committed 4 years ago, and the perpetrator deserves to be sanctioned for it.

Or do laws work differently in your country?
 
You’re taking Sweeney’s obvious attempt to influence public opinion as a fact. He is a known liar so I don’t believe a word he says until I hear Apple confirm it.
And yet Tim Sweeney is not has not being brought back to court for not telling the truth in court
So you might not like the guy but calling him a liar is a bit strong when all he did was try & get better terms & conditions for his company and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
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So you might not like the guy but calling him a liar is a bit strong when all he did was try & get better terms & conditions for his company and there is nothing wrong with that.
Sure, if you see nothing wrong with breaking App Store rules. I guess you could argue that since Tim Sweeney appears to be getting his way right now (assuming Apple's appeal fails, and assuming Fortnite is subsequently allowed back into the App Store), then the ends justify the means.

Just as, if Apple too is able to get their way and get Judge Yvonne's ruling overturned on appeal while keeping Fortnite out of the App Store, then the ends justify the means as well.

After all, history is written by the victors, is it not? 😏
 
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Person A smoked weed 4 years ago when it was still a chargeable offence to do so.

The government subsequently legalises weed a few years later.

Just because it is legal to do so now doesn't change the fact that an offence had still been committed 4 years ago, and the perpetrator deserves to be sanctioned for it.

Or do laws work differently in country
There is a difference between a government changing legislation
To an individual starting getting it changed because he initiated it.
 
Sure, if you see nothing wrong with breaking App Store rules. I guess you could argue that since Tim Sweeney appears to be getting his way right now (assuming Apple's appeal fails, and assuming Fortnite is subsequently allowed back into the App Store), then the ends justify the means.

Just as, if Apple too is able to get their way and get Judge Yvonne's ruling overturned on appeal while keeping Fortnite out of the App Store, then the ends justify the means as well.

After all, history is written by the victors, is it not? 😏
it depends on how these rules are written for example if they are done in a fair way then there is nothing wrong with that.

Not everyone that wins court cases are innocent of the things they have been accused of that is also written into history
 
and still has ANYONE come up with a reason to wipe iOS and install another OS to run what apps?

all the talk about "freedom" and yet nothing on what having that freedom will allow them to do...

i've given up on the circular discussion. some posters have made it very clear what the legal issues are regarding agreement breaking on purpose. others dont want to take that on board.
I gave multiple
 
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They actually will get a cut, if you looked into it you would see they are offering customers a option to use IAP or epic pay services.
nowhere have i seen anything to suggest that apps with links to outside payment will ALSO offer IAP via Apple.

they are trying to avoid paying Apple anything.

imagine if noone got suckered byt the outside payment option and everyone went with the convenient trusted Apple payment option? ;)

apps that Apple current makes nothing from suddenly start generating income? LOL
 
Hey Apple, you own the App Store, you should define the price. Accept the APP and set the price accordingly. If they have external links you can increase the price.

You own the store, you define the price!
Apple doesnt control or set the prices.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmonyOS and more...

so there really isnt a duopoly even ;)
That link explains why Apple will never willingly allow their devices/iOS to be open. Because the moment they do, someone will crack it wide open and copy the bejesus out of it. And worse, claim it as their own. And why I don't understand why any countries politicians will want backdoors into iOS.
And for App developers. Want your hard work to be philfed by a billion people overnight?

The slope is VERY slippery folks. Very slippery......
 
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thats not an answer...
But you said there a legal ramifications for breaking App Store rules
I’m just asking what are they?

And yes harmony OS exists but the last time I checked it’s mainly in china not available in certain regions
Until huawei is allowed to properly operate in the west then you will get the current two party system
 
Sorry, I don't understand how it's possible that in 2025 we believe that a company is above the law. If there was written you accept to become a slave, would be a valid agreement? I don't think so... and this is what's happening...
No one said anyone is above the law. Just that the laws changed to make what Apple "had" been doing for years, illegal. If you build a business with expectations that "X" rules/laws/policies/trade/environmental/labor/supply chain, or standards of any kind will be in place for 5-10-25 years. THEN, without you doing anything wrong, the laws change to make your business model completely or significantly enough untenable. You may have a change of opinion as well. If you had a store that sold a different fruit than anyone else's. And one day, all other fruit stores slowly went belly up. You didn't do anything to cause them to fail. Just sold your fruit to those who liked it. And the government comes along and says, "hey there, we noticed the lack of fruit sellers around here. Wondering if you would allow other "fruits" to be sold within your walls so we can all have more options... Oh and we need you to do this quickly, and don't be greedy or put up any restrictions to make it difficult for these other fruits to be sold here... These other fruits mean you now harm, and will not at all affect other fruits you sell. THANKS!!! BYE!!!, or we will fine the ever living bejesus out of you...
You are happy to have less freedom, I hope to have more freedom...
I said it before when EPIC took away Fortnite. They took away my choice. They didn't care about me at all in attempting to lure me away to "their" store to purchase "their" stuff. "Oh, it's cheaper! Come here instead!". Thanks, but I already went through the trouble of trusting Apple to do this. And I want to continue to do so. You will get paid just fine, even if you're only allowing me "less" vBucks for this purchase. Let me make up my own mind. While you go to the courts and plead your case. Take your time, do it right. And maybe you will be able to provide a link through your app to allow me to purchase my less expensive means. All the while allowing me to continue to pay via the IAP without fail. You could have had me on battle pass and extra vBuck purchases this whole time (years), and many many others as well. But no. YOU,... EPIC decided for me. That wasn't going to be the case.
Anyway, nobody has answered me yet about paying 30% more at the gas station...
You pay taxes on gas. And if you're in the UK/EU, you pay a LOT of taxes for fuel. If you pay at a name brand retail station (Shell, Exxon/Mobile/BP/Chevron/etc. You will pay MORE for their "additives". Special blend of chemicals to enhance your driving experience.... If you go to a mom and pop station, you pay a little less. As they get gas from the same places everyone else does. Just some water added to lessen the price some.. 🤣
 
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If epic attempted to defraud Apple
Then why is there now payment links with zero commission
One way to look at this is to ask yourself is Epic on the US iOS App Store. If the answer is no then that is the answer to your question. Also in the near future is epic going to return. We don’t know the answer to that yet.
now allowed on iOS in the USA App Store?
Because is that not what epic kind of did in the first place to then get kick off
A separate matter, as @Abazigal said is the anti-steering ruling, which apple may or may not have dragged it’s feet on in order to start the current chain of events.

Two separate issues.
 
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