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Epic Games v. Apple Trial Wraps Up, But We Likely Won't Know the Outcome for Months
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Spotify is a bit of unique case where it’s business directly competes against Apple Music. Other devs may not have such concern. So it is tough for Spotify sure, but my point still stands.
I love posts like this. They give an analogy, but completely ignore antitrust implications. Classic ignorance. All these lawyers and judges must be complete idiots, huh? regardless of the verdict and outcome, this trial and discussion was necessary.
lol easy: "hey apple, do this or you can't do business in the US anymore". We have antitrust laws for a reason. It's the same reason Microsoft got regulated in the 90s.
It seems like most people here don't understand this. Regardless of the outcome, Apple is on a fine line here.
it's one thing to have an opinion on what side of the line apple is on. It's another thing to not even understand the argument why they are so close to that line.
I don’t think so. If Epic offers more items (like a bonus) for the same price but you have to purchase it from safari, I bet most people would absolutely take the deal. It takes 30 seconds to get back to the app.
A dispute over profit between Apple and its partner in no way should impact the consumer. Apple can remove Epic from the app store but it doesn't have overreaching authority to prevent the consumer from getting it directly from Epic or from another source to continue playing. Otherwise, if Apple sold cars and it had a dispute with a part supplier the consumer won't be able to buy the needed part from Apple dealership or through third party to operate the car which is illegal and wrong. I predict consumers will win.
The US Government and Federal Courts most certainly can tell Apple to allow 3rd party payments. You should read about earlier antitrust decisions and what companies were required to do.
In this case, by allowing Netflix, or Disney+ to have a
im no lawyer, but I believe that in the states you need to show proof that you suffered losses to launch this type of lawsuit. Epic knew what they were doing by playing with the App Store policy. If anyone can confirm, I’d appreciate it.
You should read about the history of Epic Games.
Epic Games - Wikipedia
They are not going anywhere.
I’m a huge fan of apple, and I’ve had the opportunity to jailbreak my phones since they first came out. I never have because I like the stability of my phone working the way I want it too. Many people who did jailbreak their phone eventually restored their original iOS. So my question is, if apple did release a 3rd party payment app, and people phones would stop working properly, wouldn’t the apple clientele just naturally shut the need for a 3rd party payment?
Yeah, pretending is not going to convince anybody. The judge already told Timmy she does not believe that he made the 15% decision because of COVID.
Spotify is not the only company in this position. Podcast apps and many others. Look up the term Sherlocked as that is also relevant.
I hope Apple wins. We don’t need green worms in the orchard.
Brilliant response. In fact, many would ask, how did this even get to trial. /s
Snd all that time Fortnite could have been alive and well on the iOS platforms in the meantime wouldn’t it. They continue to miss on generally massive revenues, users that were enjoying it on iPhones and iPads still can’t (and probably moved elsewhere for good by now), etc.
I truly don’t understand this kamikaze move with no boat in sight, just water.
Agreed.
There’s still the argument for users to not be leaving credit card and related info every-freaking-where when just using iCloud/ApplePay, not to mention tightly integrated and hassle free.
And for the devs it’s probably miles easier to just let Apple handle payment in the hundreds of supported currency with legal paperwork and all sorted out. If I were to start an app development tomorrow... I would just use everything Apple provided for a jump start, for sure.
May I ask, what would you win by this? Having a big loss for apple means having a big win for Epic, do you have an investment in this of some sort? Curious of why would you want Epic to win big.
Myself I would rather nothing changes for now and whatever needs to be explored, to do so in isolation with ample time... breaking something that works well at 90% capacity is easier than to bork it to 70% and below.
I would maybe even start polling users, see what they think, what they want... “wanting Epic to win a lot of cash” I think it shouldn’t be an argument though with weight for this though.
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And remember that the legislators are also going to weigh in on the antitrust issues and business practices for Apple, Google, FB and others.
Depends on how much this is costing Epic. This is a mere surface scratch for Apple versus I am sure, a pretty big dent for Epic.
Huh? Sounds like she's asking the right questions to me, and pointed out Epic's pretense.
It would be funny that if the investors saw Sweeney's behavior being too costly for the company and booted him out.
Soo much free publicity this site and countless others have given Epic…
That would be funny except for the fact that Epic Games is a private company! Sweeney is the founder, CEO and owns more than 50% of the company. It can be helpful to do some research before posting. If you read about Sweeney's and the company's history you may realize that he is both very intelligent and a smart businessman.
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iOS/iPadOS Fortnite players switched to PC, console, Android, etc. to continue to play so Fortnite didn't miss anything while Apple lost customers and PR. Just go to Reddit and see for yourself.