This.
A lot of IAPs are impulse purchases. People want to just tap once and instant gratification. If they are forwarded to a website outside of the app, people are too lazy for that. Most will stick to Apple's IAPs.
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Epic Games vs. Apple Judgment Allows App Store Developers to Link to Alternative Payment Methods
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A lot of IAPs are impulse purchases. People want to just tap once and instant gratification. If they are forwarded to a website outside of the app, people are too lazy for that. Most will stick to Apple's IAPs.
Apple currently goes not get a cut from Amazon using the app either.
Do you not understand what the App Store is?
You're not getting it. Epic got EXACTLY what it wanted. It will now be able to completely bypass Apple's pay mechanism for everything. They have to pay the 30% while they were required to, now, they don't have to pay anything. They just link to their store.
Barring appeals, this going to cripple Apple's revenue from their app store.
Download a game for free. Here's a link to purchase the unlock code. 100% profits for developer. 0% profit for Apple.
I don’t know - maybe if the app gives a big discount, I would consider paying for a subscription outside Apple.
But have you ever signed up for a free month trial and then forgot to cancel it?
At least when everything goes through Apple you can review all of your subscriptions and cancel them easily.
I have many bad memories with things like cell phone services etc. in which I keep getting billed for things that I thought I canceled. Some service subscriptions I made deliberately difficult to cancel.
If given the choice I’ll stick with paying through the Apple App Store.
Basically -- Apple will now start charging to be in the App store if you use other payment methods. lol.
Good.
Despite what people are arguing, just because you created a business that dominates a market doesn't mean you can do whatever you want.
There's good reason we created laws a hundred years ago to stop anti-competitive behavior.
Despite what people are arguing, just because you created a business that dominates a market doesn't mean you can do whatever you want.
There's good reason we created laws a hundred years ago to stop anti-competitive behavior.
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I believe they're quite different.
SK: Alternative payments within App Store
US: Alternative payments for in-app purchases
Exactly, Apple is not going to market a third-party product for free.
That’s huge and a major loss to Apple.
and the millions that Epic will pay are like pennies to them.
glad to see this over
and the millions that Epic will pay are like pennies to them.
glad to see this over
I always get a chuckle from the lack of reading comprehension by financial media. Many headlines are all contradictory or incorrect.
Apple won on 9 out of 10 counts and was ruled to not be a monopoly in this sub-category. Epic is forced to pay 30% commission/damages for around 12 months of specific revenue.
Apple is forced to do something in 90 days that they were already going to do for other "reader" categories. Apple will still likely appeal to push this off past 90 days.
This is what everyone watching the case assumed would be the ruling, is not surprising in any way, and doesn't appear to be materially impactful to Apple (depending on execution and other consumer habits we can't predict in advance.) It's pretty fair.
Why is anyone outraged or surprised or thinking this was a major win for Epic? Please enlighten me. Apple even just released a statement where they don't disagree with the ruling, lol.
Apple won on 9 out of 10 counts and was ruled to not be a monopoly in this sub-category. Epic is forced to pay 30% commission/damages for around 12 months of specific revenue.
Apple is forced to do something in 90 days that they were already going to do for other "reader" categories. Apple will still likely appeal to push this off past 90 days.
This is what everyone watching the case assumed would be the ruling, is not surprising in any way, and doesn't appear to be materially impactful to Apple (depending on execution and other consumer habits we can't predict in advance.) It's pretty fair.
Why is anyone outraged or surprised or thinking this was a major win for Epic? Please enlighten me. Apple even just released a statement where they don't disagree with the ruling, lol.
It won't really. It's only a boon for the big players (Epic, Amazon etc…). Setting up a payment system and bypassing impulse purchases via IAP isn't going to be profitable for 95% of developers.
Very few people are going to be setting up their credit card on your dodgy website to purchase $5 of lives in a game to get past a level they're frustrated they almost beat.
Yes it is a win for Epic. They sued for more knowing full well they would not win all. Ultimately the most important for them right now is in game revenue which they don't have to share with Apple on iOS anymore. Several countries will follow as the dominos start to fall.
Bingo.
Even if they offer a discount, how many people will go that long ass route to say $1 or $2? The App Store is generally really cheap as-is
I’d say it likely isn’t good for consumers who will end up having headaches trying to reverse credit card charges etc. when they find out they are still being charged for stuff for months after trying to cancel whatever subscription.
??? Are you saying apps/programs that have a dependency on an operating system (i.e. practically everything) have no right to make profit? That Adobe has no right to profit from Photoshop because it runs on Windows/MacOS? If not, I don't understand your point.
It will be. I get a lot of app in the app store and it's simple and painless. This would mean that I need to set up payment accounts with CC info for every one?! that's f'd! I've already had CC cards hacked, not going to much it more than I would need to.
They have to share revenue for anything bought via IAP.
The Judge ruled Apple has to allow LINKS to EXTERNAL WEBSITES, but how many people will do that? Epic wanted the option right in front of the consumer face, not. link.
Also no Epic App Store, which is what they actually REALLY wanted.
Epic lost so bad here after the literal circus they put on. Sweeny is lucky to be 51% owner of Epic.
We have now found out that it is no longer to make a product and run a store they way you see fit. What's next? going after Walmart for refusing to sell your product or for not giving it an end cap. The only people who will lose are the consumers.
So many seem willing to pay apple instead of a dev directly. If you have a problem with dev you still deal with apple. Dealing with apple sucks because at the end of the day they can end your Apple ID if you protest too much.
I love apple hardware as much as the next guy and they can take my money. But when it comes to 3rd party apps and services apple needs to get out of my way so I can pay and deal with them directly.
I love apple hardware as much as the next guy and they can take my money. But when it comes to 3rd party apps and services apple needs to get out of my way so I can pay and deal with them directly.
Clearly none of you are game or app developers. If you worked really hard on your app or game just to have Apple/Steam/Google take 30% of all profits on your app/game. I'd be pissed too. Epic pleaded with them to take a more reasonable cut, and they all said no. But, then of course there are sweetheart deals with Netflix and Spotify to allow people to purchase their subscription outside of Apple ecosystem. Just shady and a big ol middle finger to your average dev company.
I love Apple as much as the next person, but when they stop robbing the developers that make their platform so good, it does nothing but help everyone.
I love Apple as much as the next person, but when they stop robbing the developers that make their platform so good, it does nothing but help everyone.
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We'll see how easy Apple makes that
Most payment gateways will give you access on their license. Should be pretty easy. Otherwise the money ends up with Mastercard and Visa 🤷🏼♂️
Just imagine all the monthly subscriptions and trying to get those credit card fees reversed or remembering where to cancel them. Oh god. This is going to be a consumer nightmare when they get multiple $x.xx amount for their kids games they have no idea how to cancel.
Maybe they are, I thought they were the same
look at the anti Apple media saying that this is a “major win” for Epic games. It’s not a major win for Epic, it’s one count ( a very important one) and something they wanted but they lost a lot more than they gained.
I love how the judge believes Apple isn’t a monopoly despite what Epic thinks. We can now use this as proof😁.
I mean even if Apple is forced to do this how can Epic games gain when they are still banned from the App Store
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