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Apple fanatics still going to bat for Apple even if they had 100% market share is off the wall??
No claiming Apple had a 100% market share is off the wall which is why I put it a hypothetical strawman. It has no more logic that saying Epic is part of a some secret Chinese cabal to gather information on citizens around the world or some other insanity I have seen thrown about.
 
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What do you mean by platform? OS or app store?
OS I believe, right, when you develop a piece of software you are creating it so that it runs on the hardware not a store. Different hardware uses different code. I’m sure some is the same. Swift for iOS, I believe android uses Java and something else, Xbox is C something I think.
 
I agree they both benefit from each other so why can’t they make money off each other.

You folks were talking game development I mean there’s not 50 but there’s a good amount, if you wanna go for the most customers you should develop for them all and there’s games that do but to Kramer one I know about steam, PlayStation, iOS, google play, Xbox, PC, switch, facebooks VR, but then from there you can develope for different gen consoles. PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5. There’s quite a bit.

To add, PlayStation and Xbox both have a 30% that developers pay as well
Those are different consoles. I’m talking about different sources for apps on a single platform/device/OS/whatever word we want to use. The gaming thing was someone else’s example anyway.
 
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Isn't it amazing that simply moving essentially the same OS software down to little phone device has suddenly made people vigorously defend Apple practices that they don't advocate for on "normal computers"?

Or is everyone now wanting Apple to lockdown the hell out of the Mac too?

If not -- why not?
A normal computer is different and has a lot more security issues. To the point where more people just use their phone for the internet
 
Those are different consoles. I’m talking about different sources for apps on a single platform/device/OS/whatever word we want to use. The gaming thing was someone else’s example anyway.
I mean to me that’s like going into a Target and being upset there’s not a Walmart in there as well. Companies should be allowed to have their own space imo and the iPhone is apples space. Not to mention all the problems this would bring along.
 
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Should it come to pass that the current android clientele decided ditch android to buy iPhones leaving android with 0% market share, I would hope apple is treated as a legal monopoly….not like AT&T in 1982.
Ok? Counterpoint was that there are Apple haters and Apple fanatics on both sides. Doesn’t mean everyone is. Contrary to your statement that folks are picking on Apple just because they’re Apple.
 
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I mean to me that’s like going into a Target and being upset there’s not a Walmart in there as well. Companies should be allowed to have their own space imo and the iPhone is apples space. Not to mention all the problems this would bring along.
But it’s nothing like that. It like going to Target and getting the things you want, then going next door to Walmart and getting the things you werent able to find at Target. No one is suggesting the App Store should host another store inside it, we’re saying that you shouldn’t be limited to only one store because that store might not actually have what you want or need.

The phone is not the store.
 
No claiming Apple had a 100% market share is off the wall which is why I put it a hypothetical strawman. It has no more logic that saying Epic is part of a some secret Chinese cabal to gather information on citizens around the world or some other insanity I have seen thrown about.
I’m not sure what you think is ridiculous about the statement that some folks would still defend Apple even if they had 100% market share. Let’s get some input on that actually:

Should it come to pass that the current android clientele decided ditch android to buy iPhones leaving android with 0% market share, I would hope apple is treated as a legal monopoly….not like AT&T in 1982.
What regulations would be suitable to place on a 100% market share “legal monopoly” Apple? Could we make them allow side-loading? Alternative app stores? Significantly lower the commissions? Force them to allow any kind of app on the store? Nothing, just keep the status quo? What are your thoughts?
 
Stop with the they should just buy xxx BS, it’s getting tiresome, as if apple can buy everyone ?????
Not buy every company, but they could buy *a* company. Those are two very different things. Put the money to better use than just piling it up. They already have more than enough for R&D and for their share buyback programs. They have more money than any other company in the history of the earth. They could use some of it to make their products or services better.
 
Not buy every company, but they could buy *a* company. Those are two very different things. Put the money to better use than just piling it up. They already have more than enough for R&D and for their share buyback programs. They have more money than any other company in the history of the earth. They could use some of it to make their products or services better.
They can certainly buy a lot of companies—that’s actually where most of their innovations come from. But I doubt Nintendo is up for sale, let alone if Apple could afford the number they’d ask for, or if it would even be a smart purchase for a Apple to make in the first place.
 
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I hope Apple withdraws from states that do this until their technologically inept dinosaur legislators are forced to backpedal due to public backlash. If sideloading were allowed, immediately every garbage company/institution will withdraw from the app store and force you to sideload their app as the only way to get it. It'll be like when Netflix, a single beautiful cable TV replacement, was cut up into 100 individual annoying services because a bunch of companies got greedy.
Yeah, I hope apple withdraws from china, russia, the netherlands, france & the rest of europe, south america, south-korea and australasia because of judicial backloash there.. who's next? north korea..
 
The #1 download from the AppStore in 2021 was a clone ripoff of Unpacking.

Anyone defending the AppStore as some bastion of virtue, privacy, or security is an ovis aries.
 
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The #1 download from the AppStore in 2021 was a clone ripoff of Unpacking.

Anyone defending the AppStore as some bastion of virtue, privacy, or security is an ovis aries.
it could be a parastratiosphecomyia sphecomyioides defending there..
 
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What regulations would be suitable to place on a 100% market share “legal monopoly” Apple? Could we make them allow side-loading? Alternative app stores? Significantly lower the commissions? Force them to allow any kind of app on the store? Nothing, just keep the status quo? What are your thoughts?
In my opinion, companies shouldn't be overburdened with regulations when competitors management make poor decisions or capitalism is alive and well. Hypothetically, if consumers voted with their $$$ and Honda and Toyota were the only two car manufacturers left, no additional regulatory burden should be aimed at these companies.
 
The #1 download from the AppStore in 2021 was a clone ripoff of Unpacking.

Anyone defending the AppStore as some bastion of virtue, privacy, or security is an ovis aries.

Yeah that's true. Sadly.

We all know there are scam apps in the App Store. And that's with app review.

But imagine all the scam apps that could be in a 3rd-party app store with NO app review? :oops:

Hell... the scammers themselves could be running the store. What's worse than a swindling developer? A swindling developer with their own store. And who now has your credit card number.

And I know I don't ever have to visit these 3rd-party app stores. But rest assured there will be some hot new game or app that is only available on these crappy stores or via sideloading... and millions of people will download the mysterious payload.

So yes... I wish Apple would do a better job at patrolling their own store.

But I don't think 3rd-party app stores and/or sideloading is the automatic answer.
 
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Yeah, I hope apple withdraws from china, russia, the netherlands, france & the rest of europe, south america, south-korea and australasia because of judicial backloash there.. who's next? north korea..
I like how you use sarcasm to imply that Apple threatening to withdraw from countries that are trying to manipulate it (and letting the backlash from citizens straighten out their lawmakers) is a bad idea, but then ask whether the next target of this bad strategy that I'm proposing will be North Korea. Fortunately, North Korea is such a trash country that Apple has pre-emptively withdrawn from doing business there by never starting to do so in the first place. Thank you for your expertly communicated, illuminating commentary
 
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In my opinion, companies shouldn't be overburdened with regulations when competitors management make poor decisions or capitalism is alive and well. Hypothetically, if consumers voted with their $$$ and Honda and Toyota were the only two car manufacturers left, no additional regulatory burden should be aimed at these companies.
And so I take it that you believe the same thing, were Apple to have the entire smartphone market to themselves?
 
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And so I take it that you believe the same thing, were Apple to have the entire smartphone market to themselves?
Why are you trying to draw a compare to AT&T that owned everything? Apple wouldn’t own, in this hypothetical example the cell phone market…just the smartphone market. Flip phones, etc would still be a thing in this hypothetical example.
 
In my opinion, companies shouldn't be overburdened with regulations when competitors management make poor decisions or capitalism is alive and well. Hypothetically, if consumers voted with their $$$ and Honda and Toyota were the only two car manufacturers left, no additional regulatory burden should be aimed at these companies.

What you’ve actually described there is capitalism “not” alive and well.

Ending up with only a couple players in a space….usually comes about due to lack of antitrust enforcement, abuse of market position to harm consumers or competitors (or both) and excessive consolidation (related back to antitrust enforcement)

My point being…the data of “consumers voted with their $$” gets tremendously flawed if vibrant and competitive market conditions aren’t maintained via regulatory framework and enforcement.

I’d love a 3rd or 4th smartphone platform to be an option these days (not really happy with iOS or Android anymore)…. Good luck. These two behemoths buy up the talent and competitive technology startups before anything can get any real traction.

This marketplace is totally broken as a result
 
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Why are you trying to draw a compare to AT&T that owned everything? Apple wouldn’t own, in this hypothetical example the cell phone market…just the smartphone market. Flip phones, etc would still be a thing in this hypothetical example.
I’m not saying that scenario would be the same as AT&T. I don’t care about AT&T actually. But I am asking if there’s any amount of market share Apple could have of the smartphone market, up to and including 100%, that would warrant regulations be applied to Apple.
 
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What you’ve actually described there is capitalism “not” alive and well.

There is no example I can think of where we have ended up with only a couple players in a space….that didn’t actually come about due to lack of antitrust enforcement, abuse of market position to harm consumers or competitors (or both) and excessive consolidation (related back to antitrust enforcement)

My point being…the data of “consumers voted with their $$” gets tremendously flawed if vibrant and competitive market conditions aren’t maintained via regulatory framework and enforcement.
Regulatory framework and enforcement in a vibrant market stifles innovation. Did apple get to be the way it is by playing underhanded with android, or did they produce a product people wanted? I’m not saying no regulations, I’m saying this sideloading is overegulation.

And as I keep repeating, horses for courses.
 
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What you’ve actually described there is capitalism “not” alive and well.

Ending up with only a couple players in a space….usually comes about due to lack of antitrust enforcement, abuse of market position to harm consumers or competitors (or both) and excessive consolidation (related back to antitrust enforcement)
But that is capitalism in its purest form - profit not matter what. Go read The Jungle or Midnight is a Place some time.
 
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