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Eric Schmidt on Google Now for iOS: 'You'll Need to Discuss That With Apple' [Updated]

rhuber said:
I'm not clear on how Google Now would even work on an iPhone. I can see how it would function when you physically launch the app, but that kind of defeats the beauty of Google Now -- helping you throughout your day without having to tell it to do anything at all. It is phenomenally useful (almost scary useful) on a modern android device, but I couldn't imagine being able to fully appreciate it if it only worked when I hit a button telling it to launch.
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Actually, it'd probably work fine.

Contrary to popular belief, iOS has multitasking features.
You just need to meet certain criteria. One of which is what some people find really cool or really creepy: location/navigation based features.

From then on, it's allowed to run in the background and update yourself on your current location, and issue notifications to the user.

Depending on how often it uses the location data and radios, you might be hosed when it comes to battery life though.
 
newagemac said:
I think I'll pass. I don't want Google's gimmicky spyware on my iPhone constantly burning up my battery so Google can continuously collect data on everything about me and profit off of my info and privacy without paying me.

And they definitely are not going to be allowed to track my children on their phones corrupting their minds with all the corporate advertising Google is fond of blasting all around the web.

By the way Schmidt, it's funny that on Android your actual competition (companies with Ad Blocking apps) seems to be the only apps specifically outlawed from Android and actually enforced. Tons of malware ok to leave in the Play Store but you sure made sure to remove all the ad blockers. Wow.

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LMAO Do you cover your kids eyes and ears every time a commercial comes on TV?
I bet if it was Apple ads you would be sinning a different tune. LOL

Edit:
LOL that big bad Google is out to sell drugs to all the kids of the world!
 
supercoolmanchu said:
Google never gathers private data? So again, what exactly does Poodle get out of Android? Further, since you clearly haven't thought this through...

What does Google get out of Gmail?
What does Google get out of Google Maps?
What does Google get out of Google Docs?
What does Google get out of Google Voice?

There's no f*%@in' doubt Google collects personal information, the only confusion is from those who believe they totally randomize it for their safety.
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I repeat for third tim, I have said ANDROID, not Google. Apart of not knowing what is Android and what is Google Services you don't read what people ask to you?

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hchung said:
Actually, it'd probably work fine.

Contrary to popular belief, iOS has multitasking features.
You just need to meet certain criteria. One of which is what some people find really cool or really creepy: location/navigation based features.

From then on, it's allowed to run in the background and update yourself on your current location, and issue notifications to the user.

Depending on how often it uses the location data and radios, you might be hosed when it comes to battery life though.
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And the "you have to leave now" and other time dependant thing can be sent via push notifications
 
samcraig said:
Oh - by all means - let's believe that one without questioning.
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If Eric Schmidt doesn't say they did or they didn't, then I don't have any assertion either way.

If some unknown guy at Apple says they didn't, then somebody else can either say "yeah, he's right", or "no, he's full of crap."

How is the unknown source CNET article better? Because at least in this case, somebody's putting their credibility on the line.
 
I knew this thread would be a literally fecal storm of claims without sources and frothing at the mouth. If you listen closely you can hear the spittle smacking the monitor and the tip tappity tap of fevered keyboard smashing.

So many people reading into things far too much and putting words in other people's mouths. It is quite amusing. We were so close to someone calling samcraig an android fanboy. Would have been nice to see that "You're holding it wrong" thread get pulled up again to that.

10/10 would read again.
 
Glideslope said:
Eric being Eric (subtle laughter). You're a thief Eric. Remember the coffee with Steve at the outdoor Cafe? Choke on it. :apple:
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No one outside of internet messageboards has ever accused Eric Schmidt of being a thief.

You might think he's a thief. LagunaSol might think he's a thief (and out to get him). But what does that matter? Steve Jobs had nothing but nice things to say about the guy, and even hung out with him after he gave up his position on the board of directors.

If Steve Jobs thought he stole Apple technology by using his position as an insider for acts of corporate espionage, do you think he'd be having coffee with the guy?
 
Damn google , i knew they were never clean :rolleyes:

all he asked was will i get it on my iPhone :D

he didnt asked how you laugh at questions with apple in it. :p
 
Renzatic said:
No one outside of internet messageboards has ever accused Eric Schmidt of being a thief.

You might think he's a thief. LagunaSol might think he's a thief (and out to get him). But what does that matter? Steve Jobs had nothing but nice things to say about the guy, and even hung out with him after he gave up his position on the board of directors.

If Steve Jobs thought he stole Apple technology by using his position as an insider for acts of corporate espionage, do you think he'd be having coffee with the guy?
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Yes. How else was Steve Jobs supposed to lace Schmidt's coffee with hemlock?
 
The threads are always so interesting as are the Samsung ones , watching people take things multi national companies do so serious and to heart. It's like if google wronged apple there life is suddenly less as a result and that google have ruined there day or vice versa

The funny thing is neither of these companies give a toss about you they just want your money.
 
newagemac said:
I think I'll pass. I don't want Google's gimmicky spyware on my iPhone constantly burning up my battery so Google can continuously collect data on everything about me and profit off of my info and privacy without paying me.

And they definitely are not going to be allowed to track my children on their phones corrupting their minds with all the corporate advertising Google is fond of blasting all around the web.

By the way Schmidt, it's funny that on Android your actual competition (companies with Ad Blocking apps) seems to be the only apps specifically outlawed from Android and actually enforced. Tons of malware ok to leave in the Play Store but you sure made sure to remove all the ad blockers. Wow.

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wow.. "gimmicky"?? you are seriously misinformed or brainwashed. have you even used google now? you definitely sound like you haven't, as it is such a useful app. but go on.. keep spreading misinformation.. i think you're the one who's mind has already been corrupted.

a lot of strictly apple users don't know that android even lets you easily turn off admob within the settings. there's no conspiracy there.

and by the way.. how would you like it if you were a developer who relies on those ad revenues from the apps you make?
 
ammonkapow said:
A cursory Google doesn't show this as a large annoyance for Android devs. Either way, I'm sorry you have to work harder to provide a better experience to the end user, but that's the way things work. Work harder and make better products. Do you really want to force me to use Safari because you just don't feel like doing better work?
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It is a simply DuckDuckGo away to find out regression testing issues are a serious concern (and cost) to doing serious Android development.
 
Oletros said:
I repeat for third tim, I have said ANDROID, not Google. Apart of not knowing what is Android and what is Google Services you don't read what people ask to you?
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Any data that is harvested by Android is harvested by Google, not the Android corporation.

At no time did I confuse Android the product, for Google the company that makes it. How does this distinction help your case?
 
supercoolmanchu said:
Any data that is harvested by Android is harvested by Google, not the Android corporation.

At no time did I confuse Android the product, for Google the company that makes it. How does this distinction help your case?
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Please, stop embarrassing yourself with your total lack of knowledge.

You have confused Android with Google services. Android does not have any Google services. At least, if you want to bash, try to know the thing you're bashing.

So, I repeat for fourth time, what private data gathers Android?
 
hchung said:
Seems like a lot of work for something most developers would opt out of.
Isn't it easier for the developers who would like people to know they have an app in review to, um... tell their current/potential customers?
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I would imagine most developers wouldn't opt out. And it would contain a huge amount of interesting data (IE, how many apps get rejected, why do they get rejected, how long are they in review, etc.) With Apple being so opaque, we can't independently confirm that Google has submitted the app - we have to trust Google is telling the truth. And if they're lying, we'll never know because Apple will never tell.
 
Oletros said:
Any source to back this or it is only opinion?
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It was a discussion from Google Engineers back in the 2009 to 2010 time frame and their view was not to worry about performance issues from not using the GPU to accelerate GUI actions because CPU and memory would improve fast enough to make it not an issue. I am sure a Googler like you can Google it out. The web never forgets anything.

In short, they did not have the advanced UI rendering engine Apple has hd from their work on OS X and their basic graphics framework is stuck in the late '90s. Project Butter is designed to start bringing their API sets into the 2000's.
 
NoNothing said:
they did not have the advanced UI rendering engine Apple has hd from their work on OS X and their basic graphics framework is stuck in the late '90s. Project Butter is designed to start bringing their API sets into the 2000's.
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The advanced UI rendering engine you're talking about is a basic compositor. There's nothing particularly special about it.

But you are right, Android's UI was all CPU based back when it first came out. I think they first introduced GPU compositing with either Honeycomb or ICS.
 
NoNothing said:
It was a discussion from Google Engineers back in the 2009 to 2010 time frame and their view was not to worry about performance issues from not using the GPU to accelerate GUI actions because CPU and memory would improve fast enough to make it not an issue. I am sure a Googler like you can Google it out. The web never forgets anything.

In short, they did not have the advanced UI rendering engine Apple has hd from their work on OS X and their basic graphics framework is stuck in the late '90s. Project Butter is designed to start bringing their API sets into the 2000's.
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Googler? Are you saying that I work at Google? Why?

And no, the web never forgets and it seems that you're confused and you're repeating what an ex intern at Google said and then rebutted by Dianne Hackborn

Look at hchung links
 
dvoros said:
:( Apple should be worried. They are falling behind in many areas. Smartphones and software as examples. The next iPhone release is minor with a whole year ahead to wait for the next major release. As for software, when has iLife and iWork been updated. They don't even discuss software enhancements any more. Nothing exciting here. The iWatch??? Give me a break.
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WOW, the next iPhone has not been released and you already know everything about it. Oh.... I see.... you mean you read articles about an imaginary product that no one has actually seen, held, or used, and then WHAM it has been created and you KNOW and therefore you can WHINGE about it. Likewise the watch. I now wonder if you know that Santa, the tooth fairy and the easter bunny are not real.......
 
Michael Goff said:
That has to be the worst thing that anyone has ever said, the single dumbest line about how "you're the product". They sell... ad space. They use your data to target them at you. Google targets you with ads that companies pay the to put on their space.
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youre still the product. the customers are the commercial entitites that pay their money to google to access...you, the user. you are the product.

its not terribly difficult.
 
sir1963nz said:
WOW, the next iPhone has not been released and you already know everything about it. Oh.... I see.... you mean you read articles about an imaginary product that no one has actually seen, held, or used, and then WHAM it has been created and you KNOW and therefore you can WHINGE about it. Likewise the watch. I now wonder if you know that Santa, the tooth fairy and the easter bunny are not real.......
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Samsung's watch is much better than Apple's too.:eek:
 
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