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It is to be seen how this develops. It’s certainly not going to kill the entire industry.

Apple gives its customers a choice and that certainly is to be preferred for them and serves the company values.
The ad industry certainly did not expect things to get easier when it comes to data mining and user tracking once Apple pushed for more privacy improvements.

Sure, not the entire ad industry. MMPs and DSP companies are going to be in bad shape come September, however.
 
This is a big part of why I choose Apple - I feel like they’re upfront that they want to sell me expensive hardware and services. One of benefits of that approach is they don’t make money on ads so they can make moves like this and make their users happy.

Sorry, but Apple makes billions on ads. If anything, this move is a backward way of making Apple search ads more competitive thus driving up their existing ad revenue. Apple would be in the ad game even more too if they hadn't botched iAds.
 
This is classic Apple.
They don’t rely on ad revenue, so they go out of their way to disrupt a competitors business.
Makes them look noble and further tarnishes the competition.

We benefit, and I’m enjoying it.

Just to remind you that they lost competition and have shutdown iAd (ex. Quattra Wireless business), but that probably were "good ads". I'd say that Apple is struggling to see how Google and app developers earn money on "their" iPhones without 30% Apple tax :)

Ah, I almost forgot about Search Ads.
 
You not getting it, people will still not pay. What part of that do you not get, people don't buy apps. Maybe 1 in 1000 will pay the dollar or two for no ads. You can't support your app with that.

And just so you know, once people figure out if they click to not track they see little to no ads they will always click that and never see ads and not need to buy an ad remove option.

It's not that had to figure this out. No Ads = No App!

A lot of apps people use will simply go away now.
Actually, people will pay. They certainly paid in the past. That isn’t to say that there won’t be any adjustment period. It’s just that no one is pushing hard for change because people have become accustomed to “free”. Probably because companies have realized they can make more money by hiding the reality from people.

I’ve been around long enough to know that people will pay money if the system is setup for it.
 
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Waaa, waaaa, waaa, we want to sneak around your bushes peering through your windows and you closed the curtains on us!!!!! 😢 We might have to sue now.
 
Who, exactly, do they think will give a damn?

can’t imagine many people saying “I’m not buying an iPhone, not until they allow more companies to track me more”.
With enough lobbying they may get regulators play in their favor. Remember that politicians tend to play the team that favors them, and sometimes they play on both teams.
 
Stupid dialog wording... “Ask app not to track”?!? How about “Block app tracking”
 
This just in! Drug dealers opposed to anti-drug laws!

it is just the opposite. Drug dealers promote and lobby governments to maintain drugs illegal. That way they can continue being drug dealers, otherwise they have to turn into legal companies and pay taxes.
 
Maybe companies should find a revenue stream other than advertising. Advertising annoys the crap out of everyone and I would love a future Mac and iOS to block all advertising everywhere. Relying on ad revenue is easy and lazy. Build something better.
customers don't want to pay for an app, a subscription or see ads, just what other revenue stream do you suggest?
We've reached this state of lowest-common-denominator through customer choice.
Are you suggesting that Google start building houses or selling products?
 
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Actually, people will pay. They certainly paid in the past. That isn’t to say that there won’t be any adjustment period. It’s just that no one is pushing hard for change because people have become accustomed to “free”. Probably because companies have realized they can make more money by hiding the reality from people.

I’ve been around long enough to know that people will pay money if the system is setup for it.

They did not pay in the past thats why we have ads the way we do now. if people paid in the past we wouldn't have ads now the way we do. People don't pay for apps, it's that simple. No need to sugar coat it, people don't pay for apps. I do this every day and have so since day 1 of the App Store.
 
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Just to remind you that they lost competition and have shutdown iAd (ex. Quattra Wireless business), but that probably were "good ads". I'd say that Apple is struggling to see how Google and app developers earn money on "their" iPhones without 30% Apple tax :)

Ah, I almost forgot about Search Ads.
People sometimes see iAd as a failure. I see it as evidence that you can’t do “good ads”.
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They did not pay in the past thats why we have ads the way we do now. if people paid in the past we wouldn't have ads now the way we do. People don't pay for apps, it's that simple. No need to sugar coat it, people don't pay for apps. I do this every day and have so since day 1 of the App Store.

You don’t pay for apps every day?

I won’t pay for apps every day too. I pay once or not at all.

However, if you are using apps with ads than you most certainly are paying every day.
 
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They did not pay in the past thats why we have ads the way we do now. if people paid in the past we wouldn't have ads now the way we do. People don't pay for apps, it's that simple. No need to sugar coat it, people don't pay for apps. I do this every day and have so since day 1 of the App Store.
Where do you get your evidence that people did not pay? They certainly paid before the era of freemium apps. They also paid plenty before app stores ever existed. People were lured to free without realizing how they were really paying for it.

You keep stating authoritatively that people won’t pay for apps. You have absolutely no way of knowing that.

I have been involved in software development since the mid 1990s. I’m quite well aware of how things were and how things have evolved to put us into this current situation.
 
You don’t pay for apps every day?

I won’t pay for apps every day too. I pay once or not at all.

However, if you are using apps with ads than you most certainly are paying every day.

You mis read my post. I'm an app developer. When I said "I do this every day and have so since day 1 of the App Store." Means I've been building apps and dealing with this since day 1 of the App Store.
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Where do you get your evidence that people did not pay? They certainly paid before the era of freemium apps. They also paid plenty before app stores ever existed. People were lured to free without realizing how they were really paying for it.

You keep stating authoritatively that people won’t pay for apps. You have absolutely no way of knowing that.

I have been involved in software development since the mid 1990s. I’m quite well aware of how things were and how things have evolved to put us into this current situation.

Maybe the fact and I have been building apps for the App Store since day 1 of the App Store. So don't say I have "no way of knowing that" when I have more of a way of knowing that then you or most people ever will.

People not paying is why we have the freemium today, why apps have ads the way they do today. If people paid you would not need ads. No one wants to design an app use and go "hmm, where I can I put ads at in this UI" or "Oh, thats a good spot to put an ad". if people paid for apps we would never have had to do that and be happy to not have to do that. No app developer wants to put ads in there app they make it look horrible but we have to because people don't pay for apps.

Most apps are lucky if 1 in 1000 remove the ads from the app with an in app purchase that costs $0.99 or $1.99.
 
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You mis read my post. I'm an app developer. When I said "I do this every day and have so since day 1 of the App Store." Means I've been building apps and dealing with this since day 1 of the App Store.
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Maybe the fact and I have been building apps for the App Store since day 1 of the App Store. So don't say I have "no way of knowing that" when I have more of a way of knowing that then you or most people ever will.

People not paying is why we have the freemium today, why apps have ads the way they do today. If people paid you would not need ads. No one wants to design an app use and go "hmm, where I can I put ads at in this UI" or "Oh, thats a good spot to put an ad". if people paid for apps we would never have had to do that and be happy to not have to do that. No app developer wants to put ads in there app they make it look horrible but we have to because people don't pay for apps.

Most apps are lucky if 1 in 1000 remove the ads from the app with an in app purchase that costs $0.99 or $1.99.
Ok. That makes more sense. Still, if your apps have ads than your customers are paying for it.
 
Ok. That makes more sense. Still, if your apps have ads than your customers are paying for it.

But with this new message in iOS if they say no, then they are not paying for it because no advertiser is going to pay when they can't target someone or have a reasonable idea that who they wanted the ad to be seen by is actually seeing the ad.
 
People not paying is why we have the freemium today, why apps have ads the way they do today. If people paid you would not need ads. No one wants to design an app use and go "hmm, where I can I put ads at in this UI" or "Oh, thats a good spot to put an ad". if people paid for apps we would never have had to do that and be happy to not have to do that. No app developer wants to put ads in there app they make it look horrible but we have to because people don't pay for apps.

You don't have to do anything. There's no mandate that your app exist. There's no law enforcing you making money as a developer. You've decided to put your effort into the most volatile income streams.
 
You don't have to do anything. There's no mandate that your app exist. There's no law enforcing you making money as a developer. You've decided to put your effort into the most volatile income streams.

That makes no sense. You don't to pay for apps, the developer has to make money some how. What your saying is who cares, they shouldn't get paid because you don't wait to pay for apps or have ads.

So then when there are no apps left on the store except for Facebook, and everything else costs $10 to buy then this is who is to blame.
 
Yes, of course I'll refuse. Already do whenever I can. If I had the choice, I'd undo some of the permissions that seem to have been applied by default in the past as well. Facebook, for one, knows far too much.
 
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