The part where they have like 20% market share in the world? Or so the detractors love to remind me about ever so often.
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The part where they have like 20% market share in the world? Or so the detractors love to remind me about ever so often.
It's not their company ethos, they have other operating systems that don't work like iOS. Jobs didn't even want an app store.
The part where they have like 20% market share in the world? Or so the detractors love to remind me about ever so often.
Mobile Operating System Market Share Europe | Statcounter Global Stats
This graph shows the market share of mobile operating systems in Europe based on over 5 billion monthly page views.
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Two operating systems, the rest are completely irrelevant.
Mobile Operating System Market Share Europe | Statcounter Global Stats
This graph shows the market share of mobile operating systems in Europe based on over 5 billion monthly page views.
Two operating systems, the rest are completely irrelevant.
And which part of all this is Apple’s fault?
Does DMA also affect Singapore and the Far East?
That's one of the reasons why DMA is there, not to let companies take advantage of the device users.
There are rules for that too. If there aren't, the EU would make the necessary rules and regulations.
Maybe the part where Apple does not allow competing services and payment methods on iOS? Or alternative browser engines? It's pretty well explained in the law.
No EU based website. I realize the EU expects any website anywhere to follow its rules, but I bet there are plenty taht don't and there is not much the EU can do about it. I like what the EU is trying to do, I just don't believe it is as effective as some may want it to be.
It doesn't matter, from where the web site is originated, but if it can be opened in the EU, it comes under the rules and regulations of the EU. Maybe, most web site owners don't want to waste money releasing one for the EU, and one for the rest, they might just place the cookie acceptance popup as default. So, people in the other countries also get that popup. Does that happen with you, if you are outside the EU?
It's more of a question of who do you want to pay 30%; or for smaller developers 15%.
I suspect many smaller developers will find alternate app stores no cheaper and not very attractive due to a small user base. Big companies like EPIC could run one and probably will, if just to spite Apple, but I doubt they'll give developers a much better deal overall.
As for the App Store, Apple will find ways to recoup any revenue drop.
Actually, the US is not, in many ways, one country, it has states, territories, sovereign nations all within in it; all with their own laws and courts, for example. Some of those territories citizens aren't US citizens, some are. The primary difference is one of a federation vs confederation, with various strengths and weaknesses.
Of course, as Brexit proved, you can leave the EU while SCOTUS determined succession was illegal after the Civil War.
The EU law may say that, but that does not mean a company with no presence there needs to follow it.
The transnational nature of the internet is one of its biggest challenges, with conflicting regulations. The EU says that any website opened from the EU establish a presence in the EU and thus you must follow our laws; another country could similarly argue an EU website available in our country is subject to their laws, and fine them for violations. Collecting is another issue. Just don't have an executive visit.
Some of this can be addressed with treaties and in some cases companies simply exiting a country rather than comply.
No, it typically only happens for sites originating in the EU. When I am in the EU, some major companies simply block EU access rather than worrying about compliance. Other sites simply ignore the law since I don't get popups on many; but then again they have no physical presence in the EU.
Integration is absolutely Apple’s company ethos.
Again, you DMA defenders keep talking like the App Store part is all the DMA does. It’s so much further reaching than that. It’s an attack on Apple’s ability to differentiate its products through integration.
Totally agree. The legislation is designed to strip apple of its profits.
I know, the dma is trying to dismantle apples vertical integration, while apple is trying hard to not turn the iOS ecosystem into a platform used for illegal and immoral purposes.
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That is not apples issue that a cell phone manufacturer goes to open source for its operating system.Mobile Operating System Market Share Europe | Statcounter Global Stats
This graph shows the market share of mobile operating systems in Europe based on over 5 billion monthly page views.
Two operating systems, the rest are completely irrelevant.
You tell me.
Opting in or buying a service is not taking being taken advantage of. That’s the point the dma defenders keep missing.
Yep The dma is about apple revenue stream.
Interesting! The Constitution of United States says otherwise. It is one country.
Aha, not about Google, Huawei, Microsoft, Samsung, Xiaomi, Oppo and the rest of the players, large or small?
Nope about apple, mostly. The others are collateral damage.
Yea, I hate spell check. Either way, SCOTUS said it was illegal.
Interestingly, the preamble refers to a Union rather than a country; as it was and is a union of sovereign states; just much tighter union than the EU.
Which is why I said in many way's it's not, just as in many ways the EU is one country; it's really semantics. It's a question of, for example, what powers the (member) states decided to give to the federal government or confederation government.
My point was those who think the US is one monolithic country of 50 states are as wrong as those that think the EU is one monolithic bloc.
Interestingly, the US start out as a confederation and decided a stronger federal government was needed to be workable as a country.
If you'd have to give the examination to become a US citizen, you'd have a hard time.
You miss the point of Apple Intelligence, which is why you don’t appreciate the value of Apple’s ecosystem with its focus on integration, security, and privacy.
Sure, you can use these LLM-based AIs. Feel free to copy and paste all of your relevant information so that it can be stored in a third-party database.
Meanwhile, I’m using Apple Intelligence on my Mac, iPhone, and iPad. I wish they also had it on AVP, but that will come soon enough. Every app has AI writing tools by virtue of the integration of Apple Intelligence at the system level — even the text box into which I am typing now. I can have my writing proofread, or have the tone changed from concise, to professional, to informal. I get summaries of my email. It knows about my calendar events. The picture editing in the last beta release is amazing and accessible directly in my photo library. And on and on… and none of this sends data off my device to be kept in a dossier about me that will be analyzed, categorized, bundled, and sold.
People who see Apple Intelligence as just another feature truly don’t understand or value the benefits of deep integration. They don’t understand the value of privacy, or else they think they are smart enough to plug the holes the DMA pokes into iPhone. They should stick with the Android environment and leave Apple to innovate. Yes, the deep integration is innovation and provides value.
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I assume you mean take, because giving it is easy; although I suspect I'd do just fine taking it.
More to the point, if you think I made factual error please point it out.
We can quibble over what is the definition of a country, but the US and the EU have characteristics of both a country and a union of sovereign states.
You keep saying things like this without any evidence that people are applying their own rules to the EU. This isn’t the case since the anti-DMA opinions vary from liking the intent but not the implementation to thinking that it is ill conceived on any number of dimensions: economics, technology, commerce, politics, innovation, etc.
Politics is just one dimension on which there can be disagreement. Those who disagree with the politics do so not by applying one country’s rules to another, but on their own principled beliefs of what governments should and should not do.
What is true is that people form their opinions based on their experience, culture, and education. Trying to bucket people based on country is as wrong as on color of skin. This is especially true in Europe and the US where individual experiences and opinions vary widely and sometimes wildly.
To be sure some people will think they are superior based on some accident of birth.
Don’t confuse confidence in the statement of opinions with arrogance.
Some of us actually do have reason to state our opinions with confidence. We have industry experience, business experience, and education that inform our opinions. That does make the opinions correct. But it does give confidence that our opinions are founded on substance and not wholly on emotion. I see few people here trying to appeal to their own authority. The regular contributors have staked out well-thought-out opinions — even those with whom I disagree. People who just want to fanboy-answer will hit it and quit it.
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The US is one country, whereas the EU is not. There are no real sovereign states in the US, but all countries in the EU are sovereign. Ever heard of California, or Nevada team competing in the Olympics as a country, or a state?
People understand what their freedom is, what the freedom of choice is, at least here. No, that "deep integration" is more like breach of freedom.