Here's a link with a simplified explanation:
The equivalence posters are asserting is that because the way that one country or region deems one thing , another must deem the same thing - because both countries or regions live under the rule of law.
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EU Consumer Group Summarizes How Apple Fails to Comply With DMA
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Here's a link with a simplified explanation:
The equivalence posters are asserting is that because the way that one country or region deems one thing , another must deem the same thing - because both countries or regions live under the rule of law.
No. People are disagreeing with you on principle. You are falsely asserting that people are comparing two systems. They are not.Here's a link with a simplified explanation:
The equivalence posters are asserting is that because the way that one country or region deems one thing , another must deem the same thing - because both countries or regions live under the rule of law.
It's not about who disagrees with me personally. As I stated originally ‘across this and all these similar threads’, which is what I’m addressing. The fact that what I am suggesting does exist, but you haven’t seen it or realised it (fallacies are hard to spot, especially if it’s counter to pre existing opinions), doesn’t mean it’s not so.
Then the iPhone/iPad would not have been as popular. This is what I mean when I say EU doesn’t understand Apple’s main customer. Many techies here don’t understand either. Or both the EU and techies just don’t care and just want what they want.
This is a skewed view. Every product you buy, including the iPhone, must be used “a certain way” (the way it’s designed to be used) to get the most out of it, but also can be used any way you want regardless of its design—it just may or may not do what you want it to do, or it may do it badly. A customer has no basis to complain that a hammer cannot be used as a screwdriver, or that a Switch can’t play Xbox games. The iPhone is a closed ecosystem which has both its advantages and its disadvantages, but that is what the product is. You are free to try to hack your hammer into a screwdriver. And you are free to try to hack your iPhone to open it up, but Apple has no obligation to support your extracurricular activity.
But more ultimately, you bought the product knowing what it could do and not do—it was not a secret—so there is zero grounds to cry foul play. Imagine the mess if everyone who wanted their product to be different was able to use the government to force the company to make what they want. It would be madness. The fairest solution in most cases, including this one, is simple: vote with your wallet.
Nobody is saying there shouldn’t be refs and one set of rules. But the ref shouldn’t suddenly change the rules to disadvantage one particular team. Forcing closed ecosystems to open up targets Apple the most, as a closed ecosystem is their product.
The DMA is meant to more specifically address illegal/anticompetitive behavior in the digital marketplace. The EU doesn't necessarily have to "understand" Apple's main customer nor make exceptions for them. If Ferrari's "main customer" likes to drive fast, that doesn't mean governments shouldn't have/enforce speeding laws.
The reality may be that Apple's "main customer" is fairly indifferent on the DMA issues and will continue to buy Apple products regardless. It's also possible that having things like more app access options on iPhones could bring more customers to Apple.
Antitrust and competition laws typically end up having monopolistic, dominant, gatekeeper or whatever (declarations can vary by country/region) companies having to follow different rules due to their unique market power/influence versus smaller companies or companies in more competitive markets.
In this situation, gatekeepers like Google (with Android) and Apple (with iOS) are subject to the same rules. If anything, it would be unfair if Apple was exempt from following rules that other gatekeeper companies had to follow.
I really don't get your reasoning. The developer have their choice to choose whatever they want to sell. You have the choice to use whatever app you want, but the developer should also have the freedom to choose how he wants to distribute "his" software.
Again, this is a matter of freedom of choice. You can choose what you want, but the developer also should have the choice how he wants to sell his software.
Apple doesn’t have to TRY to make the DMA look bad.
EU moaning, again? What a surprise. Maybe try harder to compete instead of getting the government to drag everyone else down to your level. I read Nokia isn’t doing well at all, maybe if you invest in them you can have the dream ecosystem you want - shrugs -
Yeah - no. They’d be at grave risk of being out of compliance. Gruber did a great job of explaining why. Read the whole thing, but here are two extended quotes since the article is very long.
And further in the article
Alternate app stores is a matter of developer choice, but also consumer choice. If you want to pay an extra 30% for everything then that's your choice...let the rest of us choose to not do that if we want.
And unless you're Epic Games or are distributing free/open-source software or software where it's impossible to use Apple's payment system, it makes sense to not pull your app from the App Store, and instead allow consumers to make that choice.
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You guys really need to stop using “freedom of choice” in your arguments. You don’t really believe in it as a principle. You only care about “freedom” when it is your own and are willing to violate the freedom of other consumers and companies to get what you selfishly want.
They don’t understand the concept of working harder to compete. They just understand the concept of if someone else is beating you by a mile (or kilometer), you drag them down so everyone else has a chance. Participation trophies at its finest 👍
Again, a fantastic solution to stop the moaning of the EU is to just invest more into Ericsson and Nokia, so they can build their dream ecosystem and be done with worrying about what Apple chooses to do.
Unless Apple shuts it down, the App Store won't be going away and will continue to be the leading place where iPhone users get their apps and developers market their iOS apps. For that reason, the vast majority of apps available there now will continue to be available there going forward. Having alternative app stores, payment systems, etc. will likely have minimum impact on users' or developers' "freedom" to use only one store if that's what they want to do.
What it will do is provide more choices and competition in the app access/distribution market.
Freedom of choice is the freedom to choose from among the options available to you. It does not include the power to compel others to provide you with options currently unavailable to you.
The DMA is not about freedom of choice. It is about forcing the products of some non-European companies to be designed in a semi-open modular way ostensibly to enable competition, but in actuality to create markets and manufacture competition for the benefit of non-competitive European companies.
Ericsson stopped producing mobile phones in 1 October 2001, and Nokia in 25 April 2014. And, this is practically 4th quarter of 2024!
Well, it does in the EU. It is the freedom of choice of the EU.
Even more reason to invest in those two companies to build the dream ecosystem! Europeans brands that are running the ecosystem Europeans want, it’s a true win win situation for all! 👏