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EU to Close Antitrust Investigation into Apple's Browser Choice Screen

TgeekB said:
Exactly, it’s no different. BlackBerry owned the smartphone market. There was no other choice…..until Apple made a more popular product. Let the market work things out, not government regulation. Have we not learned anything from the past?
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The current market in the west is setup with 2 big dominating companies that it’s going to be virtually impossible to break that for a number of reasons

So what the governments then do is look at their individual policies & scrutinize that by passing regulation on it
Hence what you are getting now
 
Stuwil said:
Right
how do you beat google to search when it is almost the default search engine on practically every smartphone in the west.

Hence why the regulation is getting or being implemented to try & stop that
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Most brands don't have the deal with Google that Apple does, so it will still be the default choice.
 
Stuwil said:
What are you on about there are over 1,300 brands that use google in the smartphone market
So what are you going on about?
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Google pays Apple billions to be the default search engine. No way they have that with everyone. There's no regulation forcing Apple or others to switch from Google. They're just making it so they can't have contracts over it.
 
cocky jeremy said:
Google pays Apple billions to be the default search engine. No way they have that with everyone. There's no regulation forcing Apple or others to switch from Google. They're just making it so they can't have contracts over it.
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What so chrome isn’t pre installed on every android device?

Hence the search engine regulation
 
cocky jeremy said:
Crazy to imagine putting your own products together on your own ecosystem. Such a wild idea.
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Because fundamentally that means that google are basically the default search engine for over 3 billion devices
So realistically no company could compete with that
 
TgeekB said:
Sure it is. Big government against big business. Not letting markets decide.
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How can the market decide when you only fundamentally have two choices
either android or apple

So in turn that pretty much allows these 2 companies free rain to a certain degree because they can just point to each other & say look we aren’t a monopoly whenever they get scrutiny.

However because the way the smartphone market is in the west then the only way to rain them in is to put regulations in place & treat both companies as individuals not competitors
Hence what the EU are doing.
 
Stuwil said:
How can the market decide when you only fundamentally have two choices
either android or apple
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Well, the EU is demanding Apple adopt Android’s ecosystem model, so the market definitely can’t decide now.

Stuwil said:
So in turn that pretty much allows these 2 companies free rain to a certain degree because they can just point to each other & say look we aren’t a monopoly whenever they get scrutiny.
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Correct, because they’re competing against each other. Remember Android used to run ads about how they were open and Apple was closed.

Stuwil said:
However because the way the smartphone market is in the west then the only way to rain them in is to put regulations in place & treat both companies as individuals not competitors
Hence what the EU are doing.
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“Get rid of choice between open and closed ecosystems” is an interesting way to force competition.

The EU only supports the kind of competition they approve of. Hence the government is deciding, not the market.
 
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Stuwil said:
How can the market decide when you only fundamentally have two choices
either android or apple

So in turn that pretty much allows these 2 companies free rain to a certain degree because they can just point to each other & say look we aren’t a monopoly whenever they get scrutiny.

However because the way the smartphone market is in the west then the only way to rain them in is to put regulations in place & treat both companies as individuals not competitors
Hence what the EU are doing.
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Look at history. It has occurred before as with BlackBerry and hundreds of other companies who were once at the top but fell d/t not giving consumers what they wanted or someone coming up with a better way. Don’t blame the west, blame society as we are the ones who make choices.
 
TgeekB said:
Look at history. It has occurred before as with BlackBerry and hundreds of other companies who were once at the top but fell d/t not giving consumers what they wanted or someone coming up with a better way. Don’t blame the west, blame society as we are the ones who make choices.
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Blackberry lost because keyboards fell out of favor & refused to change at first
Even in 2009 they were still pushing keyboard mobiles so that’s a failure on their part.

Microsoft launched their own mobile & OS yet couldn’t make a dent in market share & developers wouldn’t make apps for it because it wasn’t worth their while.

Again there is one company out there that has over 1 billion users yet are restricted by the west

How the current situation is it’s very unlikely that a 3rd party will be able to compete with the 2 companies
 
CarlJ said:
So which is it? Completely fair, or favoring EU citizens - because it cannot be both. They keep claiming all these required changes are to make things fair. If it's favoring EU citizens, it is, by definition, not fair.
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Every country enacts legislation that favours their own citizens. That’s what they are elected to do. It’s fair in that everyone has to abide by those laws regardless of which country they are based. That’s just the way it is.
 
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surferfb said:
Well, the EU is demanding Apple adopt Android’s ecosystem model, so the market definitely can’t decide now.


Correct, because they’re competing against each other. Remember Android used to run ads about how they were open and Apple was closed.


“Get rid of choice between open and closed ecosystems” is an interesting way to force competition.

The EU only supports the kind of competition they approve of. Hence the government is deciding, not the market.
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right so if only 2 companies have a combined market share of over 3 billion active users then how is a start up going to compete with that.

No the EU are treating Apple as an individual company that makes a standalone device & taking android out the equation

Yeah you can because if you don’t want 3rd party App Stores or to use another search engine then just do what you have always done nobody is forcing you not to pick safari or chrome or to download alternative App Stores

Right so the EU is restricting competition in the mobile market & no other government has done that?
 
surferfb said:
If Google was crap, they would lose market share, even if they were the default. The reason the market is deciding is because they're better.
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That’s not the market deciding when you put your search engine on practically every mobile device in the west.

Just because your the predetermined default doesn’t necessarily mean you’re the best it certainly means you’re not the worse
 
Stuwil said:
That’s not the market deciding when you put your search engine on practically every mobile device in the west.

Just because your the predetermined default doesn’t necessarily mean you’re the best it certainly means you’re not the worse
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What (free) search engine is significantly better than Google?

And again - this is all moot. Search engines have already peaked. Just look at where Google is focusing today - it's not search; it's AI. ChatGPT has taken at least 50% of my searches at this point. To be clear, I'm not a normal user - I'm a nerd and early adopter. But I promise the kids learning how to use computers today will never default to Google Search - they'll use AI. That's where we're heading.

Which is why regulators should be making sure Google competes in AI fairly, not worrying about search.
 
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Stuwil said:
That’s not the market deciding when you put your search engine on practically every mobile device in the west.

Just because your the predetermined default doesn’t necessarily mean you’re the best it certainly means you’re not the worse
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Apple began in a garage. A simple computer for the home. They were laughed at by the big boys at the time who stated “no one wants a computer in their home”. How did that turn out?
Apple designed a smartphone without a keyboard. They were laughed at by the big boys. How did that turn out?
That is the consumer deciding what will occur. It will continue that way but it doesn’t happen every year. You have to be patient. We don’t need a government telling us what is best for us. That’s insanity.
 
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TgeekB said:
Apple began in a garage. A simple computer for the home. They were laughed at by the big boys at the time who stated “no one wants a computer in their home”. How did that turn out?
Apple designed a smartphone without a keyboard. They were laughed at by the big boys. How did that turn out?
That is the consumer deciding what will occur. It will continue that way but it doesn’t happen every year. You have to be patient. We don’t need a government telling us what is best for us. That’s insanity.
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AH right
So the EU are telling you what’s best for you in regards to mobiles & no other government has ever done that?
Think long & hard before you answer that
 
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