I didn’t say that and don’t put words in my mouth. I said the consumer should decide and governments rarely know what’s best for us. If you need to twist words around you don’t have solid footing.
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No you said at the end of your comment that government shouldn’t be telling us what’s good for us right
In regards to mobile because we as consumers have a right to decide because in your words that’s insanity
Yet governments decide things all the time like restricting mobile companies & if you should have a start screen with a search engine choice.
Unless you’re in favor in no government intervention at all in regards to consumer products?
Government is supposed to do the things we can’t do. Build roads and bridges. Create healthcare systems. Etc. They are not supposed to tell us what products we can buy. Consumerism weeds out the bad products, not government regulation. It’s a simple concept that you and I differ on.
If governments cared about us as consumers they would make cigarettes illegal but they don’t, do they. There’s a reason why.
ah right
So if you’re not against government regulation in consumer products & you think that it’s up to the people to decide
then why are certain mobile companies banned from the USA because then that’s surely government regulation on consumer products.
It’s just like the EU putting regulation on search engines start screens
Because it’s still government intervention
You seem to, unsubstantiated, think I am against the EU. Let me draw it for you in crayon.
I’m against all government regulation when it comes to freedoms to decide what is best for us. ALL.
I enjoy having intelligent conversations with people who can keep up. You cannot.
All the best.
Apple doesn’t sell the App Store… So.
It’s achievable, the EU is simply unable to do it and would rather base their entire tech future on companies not based in the region. So glad Apple wasn’t based in the EU or we’d have never gotten the iPhone.
Exactly, it’s not about the number of OS’s, it’s about the EU’s inability to produce world class alternatives for their citizens.
Right, the market LITERALLY decided that it prefers Android in the EU. The EU just doesn’t like the fact that the market chose the solution that drives the smaller portion of mobile revenue.
The EU regulators simply don't know what competition is.
The first time I heard about them being concerned about competition, I was thinking, “Oh! A new mobile platform and OS with the backing of the EU! They’ve got a built-in market as who in the EU WOULDN’T be proud of technology sourced in the region? And, as it would be government backed like Airbus, they could offer it at a cost below the competition and also give it features that only it would have. It would be a long slog, but if they continued to ship a quality product with the features the EU citizens and developers crave, it couldn’t help but be successful.” I was excited to see what this new competition would be.
But, that would have required the EU to compete which, as we’ve seen, is not something they’re strong on.
I also keep going back to this… we LITERALLY have an example not even 20 years ago of a staid market being overturned by an upstart. It’s so very recent history, it’s difficult how someone could seriously think that it’s impossible for any company to ever do that again. The history of tech is littered with companies that it would be “impossible” to beat.
But, understanding that requires understanding technology, and the EU regulators have shown time and time again, with GPDR, CrowdStrike, and DMA, that they don’t understand technology.
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Oh I can keep up
You on the other hand don’t get why government would regulate individual companies because of various different reasons
Governments don’t just regulate & restricted consumer products for no legitimate reason
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again this nonsense about see it was done previously so it can be done again rubbish
If it was that easy then Microsoft would actually have a competitor in the desktop os market.
The way the mobile market is setup in the west it will be practically impossible for a company to break through with a new OS
They need major financial backing & developers to get on board
Which won’t happen because it’s been tried before by a company that could actually take on Apple & google but even they failed to sell mobiles & get developers on board
Foxconn don’t have business in the EU that’s why they don’t get regulated but the Apple App Store is that’s why so 😀Apple doesn’t sell the App Store… So.
It’s achievable, the EU is simply unable to do it and would rather base their entire tech future on companies not based in the region. So glad Apple wasn’t based in the EU or we’d have never gotten the iPhone.
Exactly, it’s not about the number of OS’s, it’s about the EU’s inability to produce world class alternatives for their citizens.
Ah right so how is it achievable to make a new os successful if you don’t have financial backing to take on both companies & also get developers to make apps for an os with zero customers or a very very low market share & mange to convince them that it’s worth while.
Right so can you name any other mobile company outside of Asia that competes with Apple & android
Again the problem is not developing a mobile os it’s the financial backing & getting developers to produce apps for it.
Which is unlikely since even big developers don’t even make proper apps for the iPad
That's what drives me crazy. People don't see that. Somehow, the best will always rise to the top. No matter how outgunned they appear to be. If Google search engine wasn't the best, it'd be overtaken by now. We don't need regulation, we need a competitor to step up and make a better product. It's that damn simple.
Well there are a few things wrong with that
A new company would be competing against
2 companies worth over 2 trillion dollars
So good luck with that
In regards to chrome & your comment about the best always rises to the top that’s very unlikely since they come pre installed on the world’s most popular mobile operating system.
And your other comment about competition is not really correct for a few reasons one being it’s extremely difficult to get people to leave the iOS ecosystem once your locked into it.
The other being google give android away for basically nothing so you have access to an established company and all the big developers make apps for the OS so then your very unlikely to go to a new os that doesn’t have your favorite apps available.
Where as if the company from Asia is wasn’t restricted in the west & having over 1 billion users then developers would make their apps available on that platform.
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Right & how do you beat chrome if it’s the default search engine on every android device
There is no way a company will over take chrome on android because it’s the default search engine on their operating system
Absolute nonsense let the market decide when it’s pre installed on every android device that’s not the market deciding
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It isn't Google's job to help a competitor compete with them. Google made the OS. Google made the search engine. Of course they're going to use their own product.
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Yes, and it’s practically impossible that a computer company not known for making cellular phones to break through with a new cellular phone.
This DOES actually help understand where a lot of people (EU regulators especially) lack in their understanding of technology, though. People like them looked at companies that had more money than Apple and more developers than the iPhone and were like, “WHELP! They don’t have the money OR the developers, so it’ll never take off!” This was without understanding that what it HAD was more important than money OR developers. They had something people wanted to buy and use.
It’s silly to essentially state “No one else will ever make anything that people want to buy and use”. But, they didn’t see the iPhone before it came, and they are similarly blind to the next thing that’s sure to appear.
Before the iPhone was released, could you name any computer company that could compete with Nokia and/or Microsoft? I’m guessing no. You would have been one of those people completely blindsided by the success of the iPhone.
Hey, look here! You can’t be showing how reliably history repeats itself in this manner! The tech world as it exists today is the way it will ALWAYS be and it will never change. The Apple II will ALWAYS be one of the most prominent PC’s, it’s foolish to think it ever won’t be. Look at the money! Look at the developers! /s19 Companies That Were Once Giants but No Longer Exist
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One of those free market absolutist posts that misses the point by quite a long shot.Right, the market LITERALLY decided that it prefers Android in the EU. The EU just doesn’t like the fact that the market chose the solution that drives the smaller portion of mobile revenue.
Thing is, **** your revenue if you're breaking the law. Markets are fluid, so you can't adopt the same static strategy across the entire world, especially when you're a company that focuses on closed ecosystems.
Its not EU regulators not understanding technology. it's not their job to invent tech products, their role is to make sure their manufacturers do not use them in an abusive manner, and that they don't break the law.“Say you don’t know the name of the website you’re posting on without SAYING you don’t know the name of the website you’re posting on.”
Yes, and it’s practically impossible that a computer company not known for making cellular phones to break through with a new cellular phone.
This DOES actually help understand where a lot of people (EU regulators especially) lack in their understanding of technology, though. People like them looked at companies that had more money than Apple and more developers than the iPhone and were like, “WHELP! They don’t have the money OR the developers, so it’ll never take off!” This was without understanding that what it HAD was more important than money OR developers. They had something people wanted to buy and use.
It’s silly to essentially state “No one else will ever make anything that people want to buy and use”. But, they didn’t see the iPhone before it came, and they are similarly blind to the next thing that’s sure to appear.
As for the iphone, capitalist markets love exclusivity and luxury, *especially* when it's also made to look affordable. Even then the iphone wasn't really a success though until one year later when the app store was released and social media apps began to invade our private lives. Had facebook not been a thing, I believe iphones would have been less popular among the casual users. I feel like you're parroting revisionist history here because no company gets to the top by playing fair.
I take it he’s very young and has never lived outside the Google/Apple era. Not that history is difficult to study but…..well, I’ve got nothing more. 😉
I’m blindsided by the success of the iPhone?
Yeah I’m blindsided by the iPhone yet have owned every single one since the original but there is a big difference
In that there are now 2 companies worth 2 trillion dollars so not one of you have managed to explain how are 3rd party will be able to successfully manage to break through?