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I love Apple's response which is nothing. Because nothing has happened. Some idiot on the internet made up a scenerio and enough people heard about it to make governments upset. Glad eveything in the EU is so perfect they get to start **** around phone cables. LMFAO

Again, nothing has happened.
 
ah, yes
another AMERrIcaNS aRe wAy BEttTeR ThanN ThE rEst oF tHe wOrLd yeEeEAaAaHHHhhh! person....
also 90% of the cheap stuff you find in america...
wasn't made in america 🤯

sometimes i feel like this might all be a facade to make the eu pretend like they're doing something for right to repair, and i just hope its not :)
No, I’m referring to all the threads complaining about how much more expensive iPhones, iPads, Macs, etc. are in the UK and EU than the US. None of those products is made in the US, UK, or EU.
 
Well, I look at it differently. Maybe boomers caused this and maybe not but the reality is - if you want to be successful and make it in life then you have to work very hard to get there. That was my motto and it got me where I am now. Comfortable life with fair security due to diversification etc.
I was brought up in a way that nothing is for free and everything you have to work for. If people complain now because they don't have this or that its often related to their lack of motivation and persistence to change things in their life. Most people want to be comfortable but thats the opposite of success. In order to be successful you often need to be ok with being not comfortable and be ok to try things and not be afraid to fail. Some people don't want change, they just want to complain because it validates them.

So, you may look at things that boomers caused stuff and perhaps they did but I look at it in a way that I'm in charge of my life to change and improve my circumstances. No one else.
As for the topic - EU may be criticised for a lot of things and is definitely not perfect but they do tons of great things for us overall which I realised very quickly when I moved to Canada. Sometimes I feel that things in Canada are backwards and would love to send the politicians to Europe to see how things can be improved.

(but that would be for a long conversation)

That's not it. I went to posh private schools. I have advanced degrees and came from an affluent family. I have it relatively easy, but I know what's like for normal people my age. Well, imaging having to pay for things as a young adult without using your parents' money. I am perfectly fine, but most young Canadians are struggling, and it's not their fault.

We have a name for your response like that. It's called the "back in my day" speech.

Well guess what? It used to take 6 years for a median Canadian to save up for a 20% down payment for a median house in 1970, now it takes 27 years. Interest rate used to be around 2%, now it's around 7%. That's 1970, if you rewind even longer, the disparity grows exponentially. The thing is, by the time you saved for 27 years, asset inflation would've gone up even more. That's not what boomers had to pay for a house, they bought houses for $25k back then, and now asking for 2 million. Just look at what utter trash of a house is selling in Toronto for 2 million.

The bigger problem is the Canadian elected officials are so corrupt, they are in the pockets of the real estate developers and REITs. They pass zoning laws that make it very difficult to increase housing supply, so prices are propped up. That's just one example. Don't even get me started on the Telecom industry.
 
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I’ll preface this by saying I like the iPhone getting USB-C - I think it’s a great idea.

Apple is by no means perfect, but governments of the world are the least efficient and effective groups of people ever assembled. Let the government build their own smartphone if they want - but the EU sticking their nose into product design would only end with an abomination of an iPhone that no one would want to use.

I don’t think any government should have a say in the products companies design, beyond safety considerations. Let the market sort it out - if people want USB C bad enough they will buy phones with USB C and Apple will have to adapt. That’s the joy of a free market.

P.S. - Remember governments aren’t your friend 👍🏻

Precisely. I couldn't care less about what port Apple uses. The point is that Apple should be the one who gets to decide that, not the EU or any other governmental organization.

And one could no doubt make the argument that forcing Apple to fundamentally re-engineer (if it's even possible) AS, resulting in higher costs for the consumer, degraded performance, etc. would NOT benefit the consumer.

There's also a very real argument to be made for forcing Apple and every other consumer electronics company to standardize charging cables/ports. There is a clear consumer benefit and minimal cost to the product manufacturers. Proprietary cables do not benefit the consumer in any way.

Nor do I see how they harm me, as the consumer. If I weren't a member of this forum, I would never have dreamt in a million years that people would get up in arms about this topic to the point that they'd actually cheer government for forcing it. All my iPhones came with a charging cable, and I just used them 🤷🏼‍♂️ It was simply never an issue for me in any way, shape, or form.

The reality is, almost no one upgrades their computers, especially these days. I have mixed feelings on how far regulation should go. When it comes to charging cables, though, there's no gray area for me. This is a no-brainer. Having a charging standard for mobile devices greatly benefits everyone, the individual consumer and society as a whole. I'm fine with government stepping in and setting that standard.

Well, certainly not the ones that require extensive "surgery" to upgrade, but ones that are . . . why do you think people don't upgrade those (especially towers)? They certainly do. We'll just have to part ways on charging cables being a "no-brainer" for government regulation over a non-safety issue. It's a clear line that's been stepped over imo. It would also be beneficial to society to eliminate all sugary soft drinks, but I doubt you'd be for that. See, it's not a question of whether you personally believe it's good for society or not, but whether government should be that involved in our lives as a nanny state (whether nannying individuals or corporations).

Where's the evidence that government is trying to exert control over product design? Defining a charging standard hardly rises to the level of government meddling in product design. Governments sets all kind of standards by which corporations must abide. Occasionally these standards impact product design on the margins. There's no evidence that any government is trying to insert themselves in the design process in any significant way.

You admit in your last sentence that they're controlling the product design, just that you think it's in an "insignificant" way. My take is that they shouldn't be controlling it in any way, big or small, unless it's a direct safety hazard.

I think we've both made out points in multiple ways now, so I'm going to end it here. Thanks.
 
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With ****** $2 cables floating around that could potentially cause harm to the users, I don't see anything wrong with a limitation if the device does not have a way to verify it is capable of handling the power.

We are close to more then tripling the amount of power running through these cables from what the original USB was capable off.

How many of these $2 cables have so far caused harm to users?
Any links on this?
I'm interested.
 
Apple couldn’t put USB-C in entry level iPads because of the original Apple Pencil?

Well, do you see Pencil 2 support on the 10th gen? No. And the flat edge design increased prices from $329 to $449. so how is that even entry level (hint, it's not, which is why they're keeping 9th gen around)?

And now you have a bunch of customers complaining about the USB-C to lightning dongle for Pencil 1 support all because the law accelerated the push off of lightning for iPhones (and therefore iPads).

To be honest, I had a hard time following your logic. Just seems like mental gymnastics to justify Apple’s anti-consumer practices.
It's clear you're refusing to admit you're are wrong here. See ya.
 
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Well, do you see Pencil 2 support on the 10th gen? No. Because including a magnetic charge port would have increased the prices even more which at $449 is not even entry level pricing.
No.

Apple didn't use the Pencil 2 because its magnetic charger would go where the landscape camera is. There will need to be a new, Pencil 3 before both can be accommodated.
 
I really have to give a big thank you to the EU for trying to save us from proprietary cable mayhem. Wish we had similar consumer protection laws in the US.

Nah. Just more sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong.

Would be funny if Apple makes an EU version with slower speeds than the rest of the world gets, regardless of cable.
 
So the EU will compensate people who have their phones destroyed by cheap cables from China? Will they compensate people who have property destroyed when cheap cables melt and start fires? Complain all you want about MFI certifications but at least it guarantees that the cable will be robust enough to handle the draw from the device.

Cables don't start fires. If they melt they make smoke. What starts fire are charging bricks and they are one of the top three causes of fire in home.
 
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Well, do you see Pencil 2 support on the 10th gen? No. And the flat edge design increased prices from $329 to $449. so how is that even entry level (hint, it's not, which is why they're keeping 9th gen around)?
Wow, I had no idea that flat edges were so expensive!

In all seriousness, Apple could have released a Lightning to USB-C dongle and/or a USB-C Pencil in 2017, and your whole argument is moot. But they didn’t.

Instead, they artificially and strategically prolonged the adaptation of USB-C across their product lines for the sake of profit. End of story.
 
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Both the chutzpa and doublethink Apple operates with is purely amazing.

First, Apple when moving away from the never-ever used original Thunderbolt cable standard LITERALLY pushed (with Intel) the mass-adoption of USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 and onwards. This was literally to become the "cable standard to do it all" that the Apple themselves FORCED on everyone, hence the multitude of adapters and docks.
But, time passed, and pretty much everyone adopted it.

Mind you it took Firewire as well as failed Thunderbolt 1 and 2 until this came to fruition.

And then Apple first gave EU and all users the middle finger by sticking to the archaic and deliberately proprietary and for-profit licensed Lightning until the very end, with the retarded little chip that had no purpose what so ever - even the reversible pins could just be literally reversed as the opposite end never had more than 4 wires anyway.

Then now it again had to be the big lubed up EU boot of punishment literally inches away from Apple's collective cloaka to yet again force them to use the cable standard they themselves developed.

And sure, chime on, dear fanboys, on how the chipped USBC cables would be better off if they were licensed. But of course, how on God's green earth could someone just grab an off the shelf USB-C cable not even intended for FW use to charge their phone.

First the cable, then the App store, then the payment system, repairs - Apple actually managed to hold on to that bit, for now. Next I hope EU takes up the deliberate device incompatibility jail, where one absolutely must have a phone to use a watch that is literally by ALL MEANS a phone all in itself. That and maybe with all the green buzzwords going around the eternal use-and-discard mentality.
 
As I have said before I have so many different kinds of charging cables and it makes no difference. But somehow USBC is enshrined as the holy true connector. Never seen obsessions like it.

USB-C isn't perfect but it's the closest cable we have ever had that replaces every other cable. I love having one cable to charge a Switch, Steam Deck, Eufy 4K CCTV, Logitech mouse, XBOX Elite Series 2 controller hell even my powered screwdrivers now charge over USB-C. Most devices I buy now use USB-C as a standard connector. Apple has been dragging their bloody feet for years now, the iPhone should have dropped lighting years ago, the fact that it's still in use and even worse, capped at USB 2.0 speeds from 23yrs ago is insane, a speed that was standardised a few months after the turn of the millennium!.

Glad the EU is stepping in and telling Apple don't you bloody dare try it on because I could certainly see Apple having USB-C on all the iPhones but limit cheaper ones to USB 2.0 speeds which in itself should be criminal while keeping the high speeds to the pro phones.

As for charging speeds Apple should not have the ability to artificially cap the charging speed because your not using their proprietary USB-C cables with a chip in it, this would certainly be creating vast amounts of waste when I have a box full of USB-C cables that have no issues charging at 60w to 100w. The only reason Apple would cap the speeds is so they can make more money on cables, it's really as simple as that there is no other excuse.
 
Many lawyers would jump at the chance.
To sue Apple for defective 3rd party accessories? Why do people make up ridiculous fake scenarios to justify Apples profit protection schemes? If someone buys a cheap auto part off Amazon they can't sue Honda if it damages their vehicle. That's established precedent and not up for debate. Apple is looking out for their profit revenue and not the altruistic knight here to save everyone.
 
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