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I'm surprised they don't go after apple for not releasing their flashless iphone to all countries at the same time. It's not fair the Europeans have to wait so long to not run flash.

:rolleyes:
 
Exactly, nobody cares about Android. The only people that buy these phones are those that can't afford or switch their contract to an iPhone. Once the iPhone is available on Verizon, Android will become a marginal player. Apple should just boycott the EU and any other country that doesn't want to play by their rules. They have the power. Those country's residents would be pissed at their government then.

I'm pretty sure I make more money than you. I own an Android phone.
 
If and when the iTunes movies and TV become huge online and able to abuse its power to keep others from entering the market they will be force to allow other DRM on the iDevies and other devise to play movies from iTunes.

Apple does not do what is best for the people. It tells the customers what they will like.

If you don't like it, don't buy it... that simple. You have the ultimate choice.

BTW... why do you need other players to play movies from iTunes? You do know you can add content to your iTunes library that is NOT purchased from iTunes? What's the point?
 
You are just crazy. There's more people in EU that in USA. Apple earns BIG MONEY in europe. You will see how your favorite company will bend over EC.
Exactly. We're talking about 1/3 of Apple's sales. If Apple would get cocky and boycott the EU, we'd see a mass exodus of stockholders. If the EC told Steve to put on a ballet skirt and do a little humiliating dance number and put it on YouTube, he'd have no choice but to do it.
 
I can't decide if this is Apple being clever, and blaming issues on Flash, or if Flash truly does suck.

Flash CONSTANTLY crashes Safari on my iBook, and it blames Flash 10. I could be here browsing MacRumors, and a banner causes a slow script.

It never used to do this before the big feud. Interesting timing? Not sure...

Sorry, but your Mac does not allow hardware accelleration like all versions of Windows do. Only a minority of Mac's allow that to happen. It depends on how new your Mac is if you are available to get such an "advanced" feature. You could upgr..... err buy a whole a new Mac to get the feature!

Perhaps message steve Jobs and ask why its not available on every Mac? This is a FACT that a lot of Mac people either don't know, or refuse to acknowledge.
 
Nobody had a problem when the EU was going after Microsoft. In fact people here were praising the EU.

Hear hear.

The same thing happened in the recent thread about the Smartphone/Mini-USB charging situation. These 2 measures (and their ruling on MS) are/have been for the benefit of the public. These are good things.
 
If you don't like it, don't buy it... that simple. You have the ultimate choice.

BTW... why do you need other players to play movies from iTunes? You do know you can add content to your iTunes library that is NOT purchased from iTunes? What's the point?

Right now yes. But if and when it becomes a huge player in that market we may not get a choice on the matter.

I think that is the point people are missing. It apple forces out the other online stores for movies then all the good and new movies will be iTunes only.

Now the other players (Zune, Android ect) struggle because they can not play movies from iTunes. And no other store can open up because they can not play on the iPod/iPhone.

Apple lock in starts hurting multiple other markets at the same time. That is abuse of power and why I think apple at some point will b force to open up. I could see it was getting pretty close in the music then apple dropped DRM. It only delayed it.
 
The point here is freedom. Apple has the freedom to permit Flash, or not. You have the freedom to buy it, or not.

By that style of reasoning, carriers should be able to block any content they wish. (Indeed, some cable companies did try to block content.)

Of course, if every carrier blocks, then the user is left without any choice at all... or perhaps one that's less desirable in other ways.

That's why we have government rules to prevent unreasonable restrictions. Otherwise, companies will usually take the easiest and least expensive path... one not in the best interests of the public.

Communications providers especially are under goverment scrutiny, since they usually require public resources such as frequencies, and can affect the country so much.
 
If it can't show video yet, what can it show? All the wondeful ads that Flash has populated the internet with? This alone is the reason I'm happy Flash isn't on iOS.

I frickin hate the Flash ads out there. When its one of those ones that float above the text I am reading I close the site and find another to read a similar article on. I think its rude to do that to your readers. I already see the ads on a site, such as the "zipcar" ad up top as I write this.
 
EU needs to sue another company because they need cash for their entitlement government.
The European Commission has about as much to do with entitlement programs as the FCC has to do with food stamps & welfare in Kentucky.
 
If it can't show video yet, what can it show? All the wondeful ads that Flash has populated the internet with? This alone is the reason I'm happy Flash isn't on iOS.

Hooray for you no Flash ads. You're still getting the annoying iAd's, Google Mobile Ads (AdMob) and there are other numerous ad companies. They are all the same ****. If you feel this way, I'd rather see you turn off Flash on your computer for a whole week (if you last that long) and see if you can find content on your normal internet browsing schedule.

Regardless, Frash has a good way of implementation, where you have to tap on it first before it loads the flash content. No harm no foul?

The reason why the EC and FTC is investigating because most Andrioid smartphones have FLASH on them. I don't care how it's implemented they have it, and on the other hand we have Apple regulating what we get on OUR phones.
 
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REALLY?!?! yeah, you must be right, iPhones are barely selling. as a matter of fact they even had to lower the price because they cant get the damn things off the shelves. seriously, think before you type. :rolleyes:

Don't you know, it's Apple giving away free phones with a new contract, not Android phone makers. :rolleyes:
 
you have the freedom to choose the device/ the OS/ whether to jailbreak or not etc. Nobody is coming to know at your door and make you buy or install anything

PLEASE!
That argument is SO beyond retarded that it nears Dubya magnitude.
When debating -Apple's banning of a technology-, you don't just take APPLE out of the debate and say all is well.
 
Now the other players (Zune, Android ect) struggle because they can not play movies from iTunes. And no other store can open up because they can not play on the iPod/iPhone.

What you appear to be arguing for is a universal DRM system, which is a widely agreeable idea. Because you can't seriously believe that the content providers in the US are going to agree to distribute things without DRM. Recent history would demonstrate this. Apple could argue that they can't be compelled to license their system freely, because their agreements with content providers are limited in scope. In that case, either Apple would be forced to open their video system, which would at that point be devoid of content anyone wanted to buy, or the Apple video DRM system would become a de facto standard, something I doubt you'd appreciate. The content providers are under no obligation to license their media digitally if they don't like the terms, and they're quite picky on the terms.

Just because you want something doesn't mean anyone is obliged to listen, let alone provide it.
 
Flash would completely change the user experience for all apps, not just the ones using Flash, since battery life would be destroyed. I suppose Apple could make you click on a "waiver" (like an EULA form), in which you agreed that you understood that Flash would make your iPxxx suck. I'm sure people would complain anyway about their reduced battery life.

"Apple, you need to make an iPhone that can run Flash AND have good battery life". :rolleyes:

Seems a little childish to me to block a company from making apps when they aren't doing anything wrong at all. After all, the option to enable or disable it could be put there. Maybe Flash could be an extra download and not included with your iPhone? That way, people so hell bent on pushing their ideals one everyone else could at least rest assured that on their own person device(s), they would have control! Your dominion will be protected!!! But stay the F$*# out of mine ;)
 

Its not popping in front of the text I am reading so I have no problem with ones like that. Plus, on my old Work PC it doesn't even remotely slow anything down. So my point stands, if it pops in front of the text I am reading, Im gone!
 
Right now yes. But if and when it becomes a huge player in that market we may not get a choice on the matter.

I think that is the point people are missing. It apple forces out the other online stores for movies then all the good and new movies will be iTunes only.

Now the other players (Zune, Android ect) struggle because they can not play movies from iTunes. And no other store can open up because they can not play on the iPod/iPhone.

Apple lock in starts hurting multiple other markets at the same time. That is abuse of power and why I think apple at some point will b force to open up. I could see it was getting pretty close in the music then apple dropped DRM. It only delayed it.

They only have a lock because they spent years developing iTunes. It's a free market... Now Google and others need to go develop their own libraries and access like iTunes. Go cut deals and build up the content.

You do know that you can buy content from other places besides iTunes? Amazon for one?
 
This isn't harming competition because Apple is ditching it in favor of open source video i.e. H264. Simply becase they don't support Flash is no reason for EU interference. iTunes doesn't support flac. Nobody from the EU is investigating that.
 
Why are you so complaining ? :) It is the same problem as it was with Microsoft and the browser selection dialog. In UE Microsoft is forced to integrate other browser into the system (mozilla, opera, etc.) So why Apple should not be forced to support Flash ? I WANT IT!
 
Seems a little childish to me to block a company from making apps when they aren't doing anything wrong at all. After all, the option to enable or disable it could be put there. Maybe Flash could be an extra download and not included with your iPhone? That way, people so hell bent on pushing their ideals one everyone else could at least rest assured that on their own person device(s), they would have control!

Which would be the sensible option. You don't have to use it, but there's no reason other people shouldn't. It doesn't affect anybody else's user experience.

I wonder how many people on this board would have backed a proposal to end SD signals being transmitted as soon as HD channels became available? I was HD nine years ago so it wouldn't have affected me. I doubt the majority of iPhone users were. Would they have just said "yeah, HD is the the future so we should drop it like a rock instantly."

This is the exact same thing. HTML 5 might be the future but Flash is here now, used everywhere and by the majority of people. Just because you don't want to keep using it shouldn't stop others from doing so. When it starts to be passed over in favor of HTML 5 then users will dictate when Flash is no longer needed just by demand.
 
Really? That's what they feel warrants investigating?? :confused:

How about the European Commission open an investigation of Adobe's relentless overcharging of European customers. :mad:
 
This isn't harming competition because Apple is ditching it in favor of open source video i.e. H264. Simply becase they don't support Flash is no reason for EU interference. iTunes doesn't support flac. Nobody from the EU is investigating that.
H.264 is not open source.
 
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