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cube said:
1. The level of AP banning varies by location
2. Criminals don't care
3. M80A1 and similar are not AP by law (at least federally)
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The federal laws in effect ban 9mm AP ammunition (as well as any handgun AP Ammo) by banning the characteristics that would allow the design of the projectile to be functionally AP. Technically you can legally buy and possess 9mm that is AP under federal law, but it’s illegal to sell it, so in effect you cannot buy it. A lot of states have regulations about possessing it, but it’s not something you could easily obtain it.

Given it’s unavailability, I don’t think 9mm is particularly common choice of criminals. If you knew you wanted to pierce armor you’d probably just use an appropriate rifle.

I never said m80a1 wasn’t able to pierce armor... that’s exactly why there are standardized armor ratings. There are many types of legal rifle ammunition that will pierce common types of armor like level IIIa and III. But there is no pistol that uses 7.62x.59 ammunition.

I’m not really sure what point your trying to make at this point.
 
A.Goldberg said:
The federal laws in effect ban 9mm AP ammunition (as well as any handgun AP Ammo) by banning the characteristics that would allow the design of the projectile to be functionally AP. Technically you can legally buy and possess 9mm that is AP under federal law, but it’s illegal to sell it, so in effect you cannot buy it. A lot of states have regulations about possessing it, but it’s not something you could easily obtain it.

Given it’s unavailability, I don’t think 9mm is particularly common choice of criminals. If you knew you wanted to pierce armor you’d probably just use an appropriate rifle.

I never said m80a1 wasn’t able to pierce armor... that’s exactly why there are standardized armor ratings. There are many types of legal rifle ammunition that will pierce common types of armor like level IIIa and III. But there is no pistol that uses 7.62x.59 ammunition.

I’m not really sure what point your trying to make at this point.
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From what I have seen, the federal laws do not ban everybody from selling AP.

But it would have to come from an old stash (expired).

The criminals can just smuggle them in.

People don’t always want to use a rifle.
 
Apparently, the reason for the design is because the steel used in the Cybertruck is too strong to be stamped. Musk tweeted that "Reason Cybertruck is so planar is that you can’t stamp ultra-hard 30X steel, because it breaks the stamping press..."

So, to make the car's exterior slightly tough, the entire design of the car was oriented around the addition of a new steel alloy. And, weirdly, people are calling it an "exoskeleton" by which they might mean the car's using a monocoque design that's largely used in high-performance cars like F1 racers, rather than the less complex body-on-frame or unibody construction that's used on most trucks and SUVs.

This is either genius, or going to be self-inflicted wound of design problems created by a single, relatively unimportant aim: making the truck impervious to getting a ding from a grocery store cart.

I suspect that it's the latter, and that Cybertruck is Tesla's the "trash can" Mac Pro.
 
The irony, of course, being that a flat surface has to be sturdier than a surface that has a convex curve in order to match the latter's impact resistance. Most (not all but most) prospective pickup buyers would probably prefer a little less weight in the vehicle it that adds up to more range and/or more payload capacity.
 
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My next car will almost certainly be electric. We already buy 100% renewable electricity in our house. Seems like the next logical step.
 
The issue with Tesla is that for a fast recharge you have to go to a Supercharger station.

Otherwise, charging at home using 220V takes over 5 hours.

They have to do better with a fast DC option or solar power augmented...
 
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4sallypat said:
The issue with Tesla is that for a fast recharge you have to go to a Supercharger station.

Otherwise, charging at home using 220V takes over 5 hours.

They have to do better with a fast DC option or solar power augmented...
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A friend asked me about them last week and I cited the lack of Superchargers in our area as a reason against. One other issue I have is the lack of local service.
 
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A friend asked me about them last week and I cited the lack of Superchargers in our area as a reason against. One other issue I have is the lack of local service.
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Yes, that is an issue even in California unless you travel thru far reaching distances like Las Vegas or SF where there are Superchargers off the freeways but for local driving, it did not make sense.

I ended up getting a PHEV - Honda Clarity gets 50 miles per charge which takes care of my daily Monday-Friday commute with zero gasoline.

Then for distance, all I need is a gas station every 400 miles to fill up it's tiny 7 gallon tank....

Until the charging infrastructure gets better, I am not ready for full EV...
 
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4sallypat said:
Yes, that is an issue even in California unless you travel thru far reaching distances like Las Vegas or SF where there are Superchargers off the freeways but for local driving, it did not make sense.

I ended up getting a PHEV - Honda Clarity gets 50 miles per charge which takes care of my daily Monday-Friday commute with zero gasoline.

Then for distance, all I need is a gas station every 400 miles to fill up it's tiny 7 gallon tank....

Until the charging infrastructure gets better, I am not ready for full EV...
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This is what I would consider and I told my friend and he didn't like the idea because he's a purist. He doesn't see the point in having two separate propulsion systems. I really don't like this idea unless the systems are complementary. The 2021 Venza might be a car that does this. It's a hybrid but for functional reasons. It has two motors in the back to give it AWD without transmission humps and to also power it for short short commuting.
 
I bought an inexpensive EV in Jan 2016. I have seen no reduction in its range in 4 years. I highly recommend an EV for anybody that drives. I got mine (2016 VW e-golf) for $25K and then I get a $7500 tax credit and no sales tax on EVs where I live... worked out to below $17K for the car. Most EVs now have farther range than mine and cost more now, but there are some cost-effective options. I’ve saved so much money on gas and maintenance - this is now the cheapest car in terms of TCO that I’ve ever owned.
 
stylinexpat said:
Tesla is making great progress here. Anything over 400 miles is good. Ideally I still would like to see 500 mile range

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Tesla has announced a Model 3 Performance range increase for the version of the vehicle built in China. When announcing...
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Please read the small print:
While 635 km (395 miles) may sound impressive, the number is based on the NEDC driving cycle, which has been discontinued almost everywhere and it is known for not being very accurate.
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Martin81 said:
Please read the small print:
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I think in city driving where cars drive bumper to bumper at slow speeds it’s possible in cities like Tokyo,Singapore,Bangkok, and Hong Kong but in cities like Los Angeles those numbers would most likely differ to the lower numbers. I am waiting for that magic 500 mile mark number..
 
The differences between NEDC and WLTP are significant. The overall distance driven is longer with WLTP, the maximum speed is higher and drive pattern is different.
WLTP is a much more realistic measurement, BUT of course it can't give a "real" value for every possible driving profile.

Range is still an important factor with electric vehicles, but consumption gets increasingly important because consumption has a big impact on your actual operation costs.
And it is important to recognise that the cost of electricity varies from country to country.
 
4sallypat said:
The issue with Tesla is that for a fast recharge you have to go to a Supercharger station.

Otherwise, charging at home using 220V takes over 5 hours.

They have to do better with a fast DC option or solar power augmented...
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Why is 5 hours too slow for a home recharge?
 
Eraserhead said:
Why is 5 hours too slow for a home recharge?
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It isn't for the vast majority. If you've just done a long drive (long enough to need a full battery charge) then you should probably be having a sleep for at least 5 hours! If you really need faster charging get 3 phase power.

I am having a charger fitted soon that can do 22Kw charging on 3 phase power. Of course I don't have 3 phase power but I don't need that sort of charge capability as my PHEV can only charge at 3.6Kw. When an EV that meets my requirements is available I can always have the DNO put in 3 phase power if 7.2Kw charging (max on 1 phase) is insufficient but I can't see it being a problem really.
 
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