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I think they would have faired better adding multiple services into one payment. Sort of like Amazon. I like the idea of choice, but too many sort of make it burdensome. I like the idea of the CC, but this service approach is odd. Oh well.
 
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"If you don't like it, it's probably time to move on to a company that is focused on products you want/need."

But that takes real courage. And for the most part, many people lack that and would rather sit at home moaning-n-whining for years and years, over taking action supporting companies and purchasing their products that meet their needs.
That’s rather demeaning to those who demonstrate ‘real courage’ every day of their lives e.g. those battling diseases, soldiers, political prisoners etc.

Changing your computer supplier, ‘courage’ - really?
 
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So Apple is now a bank, movie studio and a magazine publisher. What’s next, food retail business? Apple has gone banana?
There.. I fixed it for you.
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Went into it not expecting much, but I left blown away. I’m so excited about Card. TV+ is a maybe (we’ll see what it’s like when it comes out). The rest isn’t for me but it’s still good that it’s there. Really though, I’m super pumped on Card.
Ok .Please tell me this, does it come with free FICO score?
 
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That’s rather demeaning to those who demonstrate ‘real courage’ every day of their lives e.g. those battling diseases, soldiers, political prisoners etc.

Changing your computer supplier, ‘courage’ - really?

The term "courage" has been bandied about by many on MR everyday to disparage Apple and its executives. It's become a throwaway line for many who are not able to articulate something more substantive. Do you take them to task as well? I was simply throwing it back in parody at those who have been using "courage" so casually for a couple of years. BTW...I agree with your view.
 
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Most worst Keynote ever! For these things you can make a press release and that's it! So boring... I have so many services to watch movies on and series why did i need that Apple thing? Ok maybe, for some...
 
Apple sacrificed its new products and iOS update in favor of announcing stuff that isn’t ready. Tv+ is so uncertain that they don’t have prices. You can tell they’re still scrambling with it. They could only attract one newspaper with their news app. If not for wsj, it’d be worthless.

Beyond pricing there’s that awful looking tv app that promotes competitor services. If I want those I’d rather not used a bloated app. That app should be reserved for iTunes library and apple content.

Apple failed to answer how in the world they can expect a sustainable revenue from this. You need a LOT more content, anchor, or bundle. None of these are appealing to apple. They will never be able to offset the cost. It’s a total loser.

The arcade stuff was the most appealing but this simply will cannibalize freemium revenue and is kind of a slap in the face. It’s an acknowledgement that freemium sucks. Overall it doesn’t push the needle.

Apple needs compelling services of their own. Look to Apple Watch and health, software, etc. This was an event begging Wall Street to see that they’re more than an iPhone company. That was the sole purpose which really didn’t fool anyone.
 
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Oh no. No no no no no no.

That's not at all what I'm saying. Apple is big enough now that they can keep making fluff while also being an insanely great computer company. But if they're going to cut, they need to cut the fluff and refocus on making insanely great computers.

What I really want to see at this point is a next-generation XServe, a heavy duty blade server that I can put in a rack. macOS is UNIX, and a really great UNIX at that, it deserves to be on the desktop, in the server closet, and in the data center.

Look, Apple's 'services' are garbage fluff. The world doesn't need a new TV subscription, there's nothing tempting about their streaming music, another game platform, and ultimately another rewards card is fine but not all that interesting and definitely not truly innovative.

It's not like it's actually hard to build new computers. Most of what a Mac actually is these days is essentially an Intel reference design with a few extra bits grafted on. Leave out the idiotic T2 chip that nobody actually needs and a few competent engineers can knock out a new Mac desktop in a few weeks, even grafting that chip on shouldn't take them long at all if they have even remotely competent engineers. A Mac Pro tower with plenty of expansion room would be a cakewalk. And how can I say that with such certainty? Because I've set up nice new tower systems running macOS that Apple didn't build, and those work even with Apple actively trying to break them.

And it's not like the software work is doubled to have both macOS and iOS. They're the same operating system under the skin, a Darwin-kernel UNIX.

I don't know about you, but I spend far, far more time interacting with a desktop or laptop computer than I do with my iPhone. My iPad is a cute toy, I don't use it for anything work related. And my Apple TV is more neglected than any of the rest of it.

So no. Apple needs to double down on computers. They can keep the fluff, but they need to stop letting it distract from real work.
We're in agreement with what we wish Apple would do, which would be to put more effort into the Mac lines, but all indications over the last 4 or 5 years indicates that isn't what they are going to do. I don't like that, but they are largely making their money off iPhones, which over the last 4 or 5 years has relegated Macs to "also ran" products. I have a funny feeling that this trend will continue until Tim and Co. finally feel comfortable in pulling the plug on desktops/laptops all together. Apple already is largely out of the server market, a trend starting while Jobs was still alive.
A relevant article:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-death-of-macos-server/

There is just no way Apple could ever compete at price point with PC servers running Linux and/or Windows Server on the back end. Even Windows Server is taking a back seat to cheaper Linux OS offerings such as Red Hat Enterprise. Good ole proprietary Unix servers have largely been replaced by Linux PC offerings. With the improvements in PC hardware over the last 10-15 years, Unix servers can't compete at price point. This trend had started 10 years ago when I retired as an IT administrator at the University of Texas at Austin. Sparc and BSD servers have been replaced by Red Hat Enterprise, both as the backend OS and with Red Hat contracted for support. Believe me, I agree with your wishes, but I just don't think Apple any longer finds the Mac line to be very profitable. What Macs are still being produced have become a niche offering for them. I could be wrong, but I think Macs will be discontinued within the next 5-10 years. Time will tell.
 
I don't get the credit card at all. That is, the partnership with Goldman Sachs. Yes, they've handled share offerings for them in the past but there are two main reasons why I find this hard to fathom:
1. They have a corporate culture diametrically opposed to Apple. Even among bankers they are considered horrible people I expect a big falling out at some time in the the next few years.
2. GS know almost nothing about credit cards. They are tiny in the market and it's far from being their expertise.

Why would you partner with someone that isn't experienced or strong in a market that's new for you, with people you won't get on with?
 
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We're in agreement with what we wish Apple would do, which would be to put more effort into the Mac lines, but all indications over the last 4 or 5 years indicates that isn't what they are going to do. I don't like that, but they are largely making their money off iPhones, which over the last 4 or 5 years has relegated Macs to "also ran" products. I have a funny feeling that this trend will continue until Tim and Co. finally feel comfortable in pulling the plug on desktops/laptops all together. Apple already is largely out of the server market, a trend starting while Jobs was still alive.
A relevant article:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-death-of-macos-server/

There is just no way Apple could ever compete at price point with PC servers running Linux and/or Windows Server on the back end. Even Windows Server is taking a back seat to cheaper Linux OS offerings such as Red Hat Enterprise. Good ole proprietary Unix servers have largely been replaced by Linux PC offerings. With the improvements in PC hardware over the last 10-15 years, Unix servers can't compete at price point. This trend had started 10 years ago when I retired as an IT administrator at the University of Texas at Austin. Sparc and BSD servers have been replaced by Red Hat Enterprise, both as the backend OS and with Red Hat contracted for support. Believe me, I agree with your wishes, but I just don't think Apple any longer finds the Mac line to be very profitable. What Macs are still being produced have become a niche offering for them. I could be wrong, but I think Macs will be discontinued within the next 5-10 years. Time will tell.

"Apple already is largely out of the server market, a trend starting while Jobs was still alive."

Jobs saw the handwriting on the wall. There was relatively little money to be made being in and (more importantly) supporting the server market. It was a smart move getting out of it. One of his best decisions.
 
Worse keynote ever!! You can short it to 3 min.

Boring and no innovation even in services.
- News+: They already had it. Magazines, we can read online.
- Games: Not innovating, just copying.
- TV+: Have you heard Netflix? So late to the game that no one will pay a monthly fee to see limited content.
- Card: The only interesting thing, which is a Credit Card. A financial service. Really? Pathetic.

It is really sad to see the path Apple is going. So much so that the only interesting thing they presented was the Card, which is not even innovating.

You can see how little Apple cares about its product and computer line up buy seeing the PATHETIC upgrades presented last week.
This truly shows that Tim Cook the only thing he cares is about squeezing more money and NOT innovating.

My question is where are users are going to use the services if they are not willing to buy the pathetic products Apple is releasing.

Sad, really sad...
 
Another thing that is US centric and won't be available to most of us in Europe. So to which one will I subscribe? Stop making fun of us.
 
Apple just plain isn't innovating.

And this announcement is a perfect example.

Let's see:

1. Magazine subscriptions. Need I really say more? Not an innovation, and I can read magazines online for free with a login from my local public library.

2. A cash back credit card. You can't call that innovative, it's one of thousands.

3. A video game platform. Steam, anyone?

4. A TV production company. Might have been innovative in the 1940s, isn't in 2019. But they stream it! Um, Netflix says hi to the new kid.

The fact is that all these things are copies of stuff other people have been doing for a long time. Apple is acting like they're doing something new when they're late to the game.

Maybe this junk will work out for Apple, maybe it won't. They rocked the world with the iTunes music store, and then got their butts handed to them with streaming, I don't know anybody who uses their music streaming service, I know lots of people who use Spotify.

And move on? To what? It's not like there's another operating system out there worth bothering with right now. Sure, Linux is great for some things, but it's just not there as a desktop OS. And even with all the shortcomings in Apple's current laptop lineup they still work better than anybody else's hardware. I mean, have you tried to use the trackpad on a Dull or HP? They're awful.

Out of what they announced yesterday, I felt the Card was the only innovation. Enhanced privacy and security, daily cash back, the budgeting and planning features built in, are all welcome features. The other services are more nice options for their customers. Apple is primarily innovating in other areas, such as custom silicon, Face ID, Apple Watch, AirPods, Apple Pay, iPad, etc. They may not be innovating in areas where you personally see value, but millions of other customers do. That's my point. What you decide to move on to is really up to the individual, as you need to weigh the pros and cons of what is out there, but I don't fault Apple for focusing on their largest group of customers. Apple's priorities are mobile, wearables, and services. This is where tech is heading.
 
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"If you don't like it, it's probably time to move on to a company that is focused on products you want/need."

But that takes real courage. And for the most part, many people lack that and would rather sit at home moaning-n-whining for years and years, over taking action supporting companies and purchasing their products that meet their needs.
Yes, that is largely what I have done. I gave up on the Mac Pro long ago, then gave up on the MBP, then the jackless and super expensive iPhones, then the bendy jackless iPads. I have a two year old iMac as my home desktop, but the jury's out as to whether I'll replace it with a Linux desktop when I'm in need of a new one. People who were heavily invested in the Apple "walled garden" have indeed been "moaning-n-whining" the last several years, but offerings of hardware and software by non-Apple companies and Linux improvements have made great inroads as adequate replacements. Even messaging software such as the cross-platform Signal has become as functional as iMessage once was.
 
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Yes, that is largely what I have done. I gave up on the Mac Pro long ago, then gave up on the MBP, then the jackless and super expensive iPhones, then the bendy jackless iPads. I have a two year old iMac as my home desktop, but the jury's out as to whether I'll replace it with a Linux desktop when I'm in need of a new one. People who were heavily invested in the Apple "walled garden" have indeed been "moaning-n-whining" the last several years, but offerings of hardware and software by non-Apple companies and Linux improvements have made great inroads as adequate replacements. Even messaging software such as the cross-platform Signal has become as functional as iMessage once was.

Sounds good. Respect (if/when you make the move).
 
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Oprah = Fail

She has a questionable background and as been involved in many unsavory things. She is literally the antithesis of everything Apple used to be.

It's so weird watching Apple evolve into this creature we now see before us. It's creepy. It feels so wrong. It's Tim.

Oh well, they will probably continue to sell computers for a good, long time which keeps me happy. And they do have some nice products like the iPhone and iPad. But so much of what Apple is doing these days seems like expansion instead of innovation.

I am trying to decide who has been worse for Apple, Tim Cook or John Sculley.
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I don't get the credit card at all. That is, the partnership with Goldman Sachs. Yes, they've handled share offerings for them in the past but there are two main reasons why I find this hard to fathom:
1. They have a corporate culture diametrically opposed to Apple. Even among bankers they are considered horrible people I expect a big falling out at some time in the the next few years.
2. GS know almost nothing about credit cards. They are tiny in the market and it's far from being their expertise.

Why would you partner with someone that isn't experienced or strong in a market that's new for you, with people you won't get on with?

Indeed. Goldman Sachs is a creepy, weird company. Why Apple would soil their reputation by joining with them is beyond me. Oh, wait...Tim Cook.
 
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The Apple Flexibility Series continues.

What Bends In Your Wallet? (tm)
 
Yes, that is largely what I have done. I gave up on the Mac Pro long ago, then gave up on the MBP, then the jackless and super expensive iPhones, then the bendy jackless iPads. I have a two year old iMac as my home desktop, but the jury's out as to whether I'll replace it with a Linux desktop when I'm in need of a new one. People who were heavily invested in the Apple "walled garden" have indeed been "moaning-n-whining" the last several years, but offerings of hardware and software by non-Apple companies and Linux improvements have made great inroads as adequate replacements. Even messaging software such as the cross-platform Signal has become as functional as iMessage once was.

I think that's a perfect example and exactly what someone should do in your situation.
 
No one is making fun of you. Apple is still, ostensibly, an American company. Rolling things out in the US is normal.
I wouldn say so. They are American, but they are very strongly present in the whole world. So when a presenter in the macrumors video asks " What will you subscribe to" I go "Come on ...".
 
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