Well that's one "maybe" down and two to go - obviously some "maybe's" are more equal than others.
Now that 10.5.2 is out, just maybe we'll see something MBP-ish tomorrow. If not next week is still cool.
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Well that's one "maybe" down and two to go - obviously some "maybe's" are more equal than others.
Now that 10.5.2 is out, just maybe we'll see something MBP-ish tomorrow. If not next week is still cool.
Well, they generally don't release it out to the general public the minute it's done. Think of all the lead time between the moment they actually finished it and the general release date.
If the MBA is any guide, there will no doubt be a two to three week shipping delay when they are released. Released≠shipped≠arrived
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If it's true that they pushed this update past Macworld to give some room to the MacBook Air (as some stories claim), wouldn't it also be plausible that both products were ready to go at the same time?
Meaning if the MBP update was slated to be released/unveiled at the same time the MacBook Air was announced, and the computer wasn't available going to be available until a few weeks after Macworld, wouldn't now qualify as the few weeks out the MBP update might have required to be made available, had it been announced at Macworld?
Meaning if the MBP update was slated to be released/unveiled at the same time the MacBook Air was announced, and the computer wasn't available going to be available until a few weeks after Macworld, wouldn't now qualify as the few weeks out the MBP update might have required to be made available, had it been announced at Macworld?
My take is that there were two reasons: 1. engineers and resources had to be pulled from the MBP to get the MBA out in time; 2. this worked nicely in the general scheme of things since the MBP delay that resulted, allowed the necessary space for the MBA to have its place in the sun.
This would seem to me to be a very efficient use of resources.
So I don't think the MBP's have just been sitting around somewhere for 4-5 weeks - that would be a very bad waste of resources. And no doubt, someone somewhere would have seen something and it would have leaked.
I'm not saying they sat around somewhere for a few weeks. Just think of it as it being the same process they would have undertaken had they announced them at Macworld. They announce them at Macworld, and say they'll be available to the consumer in three weeks. Just remove "announce them at Macworld" from the equation and you have a theory of how it could possibly go down.
Well I don't know about anyone else, but 2.6 millihertz is a little slow for me.
jk. i knew what you meant.I almost did the same after MWSF but decided that my current computer was sufficient for the time being. Now whenever the new MBP's come out I'll make the jump and be happy as I ever have been with my computer.
A good point. Although I suspect Apple just got the MBA into the air by Macworld, which then left the task of redeploying staff back to the MBP project before finishing and testing, which I guess would have taken most of the time since Macworld. I don't think there's been enough time to ramp production - but it's always a possibility things happened sooner rather than later.
However I suspect that 10.5.2 and particularly the large graphics update for unspecified machines, is designed to unlock some of Penryn's latent performance - particularly video. If this is the case, then it would not be worth having the MBP's come out before 10.5.2. Hence it would seem to be a very good use of resources to have the MBP's signed off only a week or so before 10.5.2, and then have 10.5.2 mass-dumped to the MBP HDD's during the manufacturing run as soon as 10.5.2 was completed (sometime in the last 3-5 days).
With manufacturing now almost certainly underway, the MBP's could easily be announced today with a 2-3 week ship or next Tuesday with a 1-2 week ship.
(The split between the graphics update and 10.5.2 may also have been an indication that things were running very close to time as the Penryn-sensitive component could be hived off from the general Leopard update without affecting the general release. For example a second Graphics Update could be released later. But without more information that is just a really big speculation - yet that is what forums like this are for, no?)
it would make sense to me that Apple would wait until the MBPs are ready to ship to announce them. if they announce new MBPs and say they aren't shipping for 2-3 weeks, what will happen for orders of during those weeks? What if someone, like a few people on these forums, need a MBP right away and don't care about the updates? Will they have the option to just order an older version? Or are they forced to wait for a new one even? Of course its okay when a brand new product is announced and takes 2-3 weeks to ship. No one has the product; none of the previous problems would be an issue.
It made sense in my head, and I feel like I'm usually a bit more eloquent than that, but does anyone else see what I'm saying? I just think it would make a lot more sense for Apple to announce right when they can go live with shipping (which is hopefully tomorrow!!)
It made sense in my head, and I feel like I'm usually a bit more eloquent than that, but does anyone else see what I'm saying? I just think it would make a lot more sense for Apple to announce right when they can go live with shipping (which is hopefully tomorrow!!)
Makes perfect sense. If they announce that the new product won't arrive for 2-3 weeks, then what happens to the product already on their shelves? They'd have to discount it to sell it, or possibly face a surplus of outdated stock that's difficult to sell. Why not just wait until the new one is ready to ship to announce it, that way they can maintain a relatively consistent level of sales of the existing product?
I was wondering though, has someone taken into the equation of a Chinese New Year holiday?
Usually people in China have a week off and therefore, I assume there's going to be a delay in manufacturing process. Thus, it makes sense for Apple to delay announcing the rumored updated MBP?
I don't know if someone can concur on this issue?
Usually people in China have a week off and therefore, I assume there's going to be a delay in manufacturing process. Thus, it makes sense for Apple to delay announcing the rumored updated MBP?
I don't know if someone can concur on this issue?
Is the Leopard update and evidence that the updated/updgraded MBP soon to be released will have an improved video card?
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There is a flaw to your argument.
Apple did make this mistake in 2006 when they released the C2D 17" machines. They were estimating a 1 week to build schedule. It took on average 4-5 weeks for the machines to arrive. I know, I had one of them, until it was stolen earlier this month. Apple may not make the same mistake again with releasing the machine without some machines in the shops and the factories primed and ready for BTO's. But and it is a massive BUTT to block out the Sun. In 2006 Apple were shocked by the number of orders for the 17". That is where the delay came from in getting the machines to customers. They had one factory ready to produce machines. Let's say they can produce 50000 machines a week. They work 7 days a week as this is China. They work 8 hours a day. That would be 892 machines an hour. No likely in even the best factory, the build quality would be lousy. How many 17" MBP's did Apple make? Over 200,000.
I can't wait to see what dunderheaded mistake the marketing department are going to make this time. It's irritating waiting, as I need a new machine, and the Penryn would be fantastic. But I have the feeling I will be waiting for a month after I place my order, unless a Miracle happens.
Apple did make this mistake in 2006 when they released the C2D 17" machines. They were estimating a 1 week to build schedule. It took on average 4-5 weeks for the machines to arrive. I know, I had one of them, until it was stolen earlier this month. Apple may not make the same mistake again with releasing the machine without some machines in the shops and the factories primed and ready for BTO's. But and it is a massive BUTT to block out the Sun. In 2006 Apple were shocked by the number of orders for the 17". That is where the delay came from in getting the machines to customers. They had one factory ready to produce machines. Let's say they can produce 50000 machines a week. They work 7 days a week as this is China. They work 8 hours a day. That would be 892 machines an hour. No likely in even the best factory, the build quality would be lousy. How many 17" MBP's did Apple make? Over 200,000.
I can't wait to see what dunderheaded mistake the marketing department are going to make this time. It's irritating waiting, as I need a new machine, and the Penryn would be fantastic. But I have the feeling I will be waiting for a month after I place my order, unless a Miracle happens.
Well if that's true and they plan on releasing the MBP's today, or in the nearer future, that'd be more of a reason to have them available immediately. Get them finished before the plant shuts down for a little bit.
I really hope you guys are right - I was looking at a worst-case scenario and anything shorter would be great!
I've been waiting since October with a buyer still hanging-in for my last of the PowerBooks. I bought it just before the Intels came out and what a nose-dive that was in value in a few short weeks. So once bitten twice shy.
I've been waiting since October with a buyer still hanging-in for my last of the PowerBooks. I bought it just before the Intels came out and what a nose-dive that was in value in a few short weeks. So once bitten twice shy.
7 days a week in China = true
8 hours a day = I doubt it, I'd say it's more than 8 hours a day.
Most of the time they just run 2 shifts with each shift run for 12 hours.
But again, I could be wrong. However, I'm pretty certain that's the case in China. Otherwise, the people can't survive since the payout is relatively low hourly.
CNY was on the 7th. I'd guess the production will run at a full capacity no earlier than Monday if Apple decided to cut the holiday short. In addition, have you guys following the news about the weather havoc in China now? Transportation is an issue.
*Keep crossing my fingers for sooner update*
I'm 24/7 work is in most productions lines. Back in germnay i did work in carpart manufacturing always 24/7 but 3x8hours shift.
Now in australia on mine sites it's 12 hours shifts.
but basicly all serious production lines run 24/7!
cheers
So, how many suicidal Mac-i-nacs are we going to have on our hands if it turns out to be something else?