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I didn't mean to call anyone anti-American - I was refering to sentiments expressed rather than the person expressing them. I don't mean to characterize anyone by a single post that they make.

I don't believe that it is America's responsibility to sort out all the Third World's problems any more than I believe America has a responsibility to act as the world's police force. To my knowledge, America is not occupying any Third World country.

America has acted generously, selflessly and decisively in the past to help foreign countries - for example America's involvement in Europe during the Second World War. Many American's died so that Europe could enjoy the freedom and prosperity that it does today. As a British citizen, I'm grateful for this.

It seems to me that the single greatest cause of poverty in the Third World is local corruption. It is not possible to help anyone who does not what to help themselves.

...my next post will be about Macs!

 
Sorry......

I've honestly been wanting to do that rant for a while. Did anyone see TV coverage of the Expo? Here in the SF Bay Area, it was the lead in to the CES, where Bill Gates talked about HIS digital hub. (cackle) He talked about how much "better than Apple's" it would be. (fall out of chair laughing)Note: M$'s digital hub has only one component so far: X-box.
 
Ooooo Spikey also wrote...

"Kethoticus, you greek fag."

Ahhh the genius of the Spikester. He breaks one of my cardinal rules with his own foolhardiness: he assumes.


"Kela and mischief are right."

In your RDF'd opinion.


"Why are you comparing to sales markets whith to different sales strategies to one another? Think before you open your mouth."

And you need to think about why it is you keep trying to justify everything Apple does, why Apple can do no wrong, why no one has any right to criticize the company.


"In the past few years macs havent sold because of speed, as the first imac proved, macs have sold due to all the other attributes that go into making a quality product."

In the past few years, Apple's lost market share.


"Ofcourse it was enough to justify the hype, look at what we were expecting from the new imac and look at what we got. To replace the most revolutionary PC ever with its sequel is going to be a huge event, and it should be, hence justifying the hype."

You are a Mac-worshipping apologist who thinks Steve's defecation doesn't stink. I.e., you're in denial about the speed thing. There absolutely nothing revolutionary about anything Apple's come out with in the past few years. Nothing. Evolutionary, certainly.


"Apple's "revolutions" just aren't cutting in"

that is because since the imac there hasnt been a major revolution, WHICH IS WHY THEY BROUGHT OUT A NEW IMAC.
Market share rose due to the introduction of the first imac."

And it has since gone down.


"A consumer model machine is not going to be enough, unless Apple plans on abandoning its professional customers entirely and going all-out for the consumer."

"So you think pro users have been abandoned. Just because the introduced a brilliant consumer machine
instead of your +1Ghz G4/G5. With the introduction of the G4 in imacs, and also the price/value about the imac, then dont you think its a bit of a hint at what apple are going to bring out next macworld? or cant you get your head round that? dumbass."

Amazing how brave these little Brits with anemic egos are when they're 7,000 miles from the person they insult. Nonetheless, Apple referred to the Expo. Not Tokyo, not Seabold, not WWDC, just MWSF when making all their stupidly hyped-up website teasers. Apple lied, plain and simple. Again, you apologize for them because you worship them. You are in denial. You obviously can't seem to get your head around that.


"What the **** were they meant to do ********?"

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't mean to blaspheme Steve... er... Lord Jobs.


"Bring out the imac, pro users whine.. Bring out the Pro machine, consumers whine."

I've never heard of any consumers whining about pro models. Where did you get this from?


"Stop being such a self obsessed greedy bastard and start realising that the world doesnt revolve around you and whether you get your pro machine."

Greedy?? LOL. Damn. You really are taking this personally. I'm sorry... are you on the Apple design team?


"Other people like me need a consumer machine, hence why apple brought it out."

Well if you read my posts you'd know I wasn't condemning the iMac, but the LACK of other announcements.


"Next macworld a pro machine is very likely to come out, try to wait till then and just appreciate the beauty of the imac. Stop being a jealous pro user, and dont think your superior to consumer users and you should get your pro machine instead of an imac."

Wow bro, you really are out to lunch. I'm not supposed to think that I should get a pro machine? And why not? Why am I supposed to think just the way YOU do? Why are my needs supposed to be in complete agreement with yours? Why am I not allowed to need/want a particular thing? Do I tell you what to eat or drink or where to live or what kinds of girls to date? I'll tell you why you feel this way: you perceive any sort of disagreement with what you've anchored your ego structure to as a threat.

In that last paragraph of yours, your insecurity and low self-esteem are all too evident. I NEVER said I was superior, nor did I even imply it. I was talking about a machine--or lack thereof, and did so in a civilized way. That you are so easily intimidated by anyone's posts and can read such nonsense into them proves that you look at the world, look at people through a filter of your own poor self-image. This is not an insult. It's simply a fact. You assume everyone's talking down to you. Why? Because you see yourself so poorly. It's really very simple. And people like you are impossible to talk to unless your ego is constantly stroked in the process.


"your last post proved your far from superior, it proved to us that you are one dumb, ignorant, egotistical, stuck up little wanker."

I rest my case.


"This jealousy coming off you pro users has to stop.
You are not proper mac users, you have no idea of apples ethics, you are scum."

Because I do not appreciate the lamp that turned into a computer I am scum? Interesting gauge you have for judging one's character. Tell me, what would you think of someone who did something really heinous, like spit their gum on the sidewalk? But of course, we both know that this really isn't the issue with you. It goes far deeper. But you'll never admit that to yourself or anyone else.


As for everyone else in here who disagrees with those of us who have criticized the Expo's announcements, I'm going to make a clear justification for those feelings. It will be devoid of flames and other non-constructive language. It will simply explain this point of view, and if anyone has anything intelligent and respectful to say in disagreement, I welcome it.

The problem here is that Apple said "way beyond the rumors". Please tell me how this Expo fulfilled that? Everyone everywhere was speculating about an LCD iMac with a G4 processor and an adjustable monitor. Some even speculated a GHz G3 within them. The actual announcement fell well within what the rumors were predicting.

But everyone was also speculating about trans-GHz G4s and maybe even G5s. That there wasn't even a price drop for current MT models is a huge question mark for me. By all appearances, it seems that Apple outright lied. Or, maybe they actually believed their hype. Maybe they really believed that the new styling of the latest iMac is just so incredible that it justifies the hype. But either way, we have a problem.

I do not undervalue the necessity for attractive industrial design. I agree with Mac fans who say that PC-lovers seem to feel that functionality is inversely proportional to attractiveness. Tell that to Selma Hayek.

But I also agree with PC fans when they say that that is just to distract people from the fact that Apple's falling woefully behind in the price/performance wars. Let's face it, the look of the machine is a great distraction from other deficiencies.

No, I'm not saying the iMac is deficient. Actually, it's a cool little machine, even the one priced at $US1,300. But the line as whole needs a major boost in order to gain market share. This is both a concern to me as a professional and as fan.

But also, admittedly, it really bugs me when I hafta justify my Mac-fanhood to PC-lovers. I am running out of ammunition to do that with. And that, in turn, makes me question my Mac loyalties if I can not even tell a user of a different platform why the Mac is preferable to their system.
 
Hi Kethoticus,

You make some fair points - but if you really think all that about Spikey, I'm suprised you took the trouble to respond to him.

From my observations, Spikey is quite a character and he makes Macrumors a more entertaining place to be, though I wish he would moderate his own language at times!

It struck me that his fag "insult" really hit home since you made various hetro' inferences in your post. Remember, for us Brits, "fag" is just another word for cigarette ;)

Regarding hype, Apple always hypes everything - remember their iPod press invite where they called an MP3 player a "breakthrough consumer device!" I agree that the PowerMac range needed a speed bump though.

If you need a reason to be proud to be a Mac user, look no further than OS X.
 
All things to all people...

Apple cannot afford to do it. Their market strategy now is to gain market share. They can only do that by appealing to the average consumer. They've already captured us "geeks" who will pay more $$ for what we consider a "premium" product. I'm sure the towers will be revamped, and I do agree they are (currently) not a value vs. PC offerings. But a choice had to be made. Although I am not fond of the visual appeal of the new I-Mac, the specs are great and it is a good value for the features. I will reserve my final judgement until I get an opportunity to try one out, and see how the form factor feels to use on a daily basis. Although I was disappointed (the hype), I can see to the hit mainstream PR machine they HAD to overhype. Apple is walking a tightrope (marketshare vs. fans), just remember- Apple made money; most PC makers did not. They're doing a good job in my book.
 
my little opus...

I think that in general, from all the posts that I've read on this site, people aren't really giving Jobs and Apple the credit that they deserve. Take a break for a minute and think about what it is that Apple is doing as a company...what no other company is doing or can do... They make everything...the os, some of the best software for that os, the hardware that it all runs on AND it's own retail chain to sell it. Just think about that for a minute... it is truly amazing - even more so because they do it all so well.

Now think about Monday's announcements...most notably, the iMac. And think about where you can see this new iMac right now...Where? In every grocery store checkout lane and corner news stand in this country on the cover of one of the most prominent & respected news mags in the civilized world. No one, in any of these posts, as far as I know, has mentioned even a passing whisper of this incredible fact. I have a feeling that we are going to see a very different awareness of Apple in the months to come. And I believe that Monday was only a wind-up pitch for Jobs relative to the products that he has in store for us over the next 12 months.

So, forget about your temporary letdown from a marketing blitz (that may yet prove to be more valid than your initial thoughts) and instead, focus on all the reasons why we are so vehemently dedicated to this unique company.
 
I hate to interject but can someone take a time out and give me a hand?

I am putting together an article on MP3 players for a magazine we publish and I can't seem to find a decent, for print, pic of the iPod anywhere (and I would so like it to shine against the assembled clutter our reviewer is comparing it with.

Similarly I need a decent side angle shot of the new (I still think it's rather wild/wicked) iMac itself, preferably with a shadowed movement of the screen, if anyone's seen one.

All the ones I've found are too low-res to use, there must be some press pics available directly from the Apple site or SOMEWHERE!

I know we're all busy jumping down each other's throats but I would be VERY appreciative.

thanks in advance
 
call Apple.

Apple would be more than happy to give you good images if you ask. Just call the main line and ask for marketing, tell them why. Easy.
 
I'm in the UK and the USA people say they can send me a disc

And I need it tonight. So I was hoping I could download it.

But I'll try them again...

Thanks

(how's the post been going this evening, we could do with someone such as yourself to summarize the main points up to now so people could come in informed!)

how about it?
 
Summary:

We've had more kid bashing, a bit of national-identity rhetoric, some common sense about heat, and the Greek is still comparing condom sizes. We've all pretty much concluded it's a case of mis-communication over stats.
 
What a wanker

Awww poor little kethoticus doesnt have his bumchums to back him up anymore, so your turning to sexuality insults. Do you enjoy showing off your ignorance, or are you too stupid to realise thats exactly what you are doing?

Nice attempt at breaking up my threads there kethoticus, but weve seen it all before with john and joeyj, try another technique to twist what i say, lol what a naive faggit you are.

Did diddums get his feelings hurt over my homo comment?
Well im sorry faggit, sorry kethoticus, sorry homo, sorry pouff. I didnt mean to upset you and your sexuality crisis. Do all Greek wankers have this problem or is it just the ********s?

Why do i always back jobs?.... i dont. if your braincell stretches as far back as 3 months ago then you will remember i critisised jobs for not dropping moto, not getting enough fps in gaming, not getting enough games titles to the mac.
Well thats disproved half your ****/post.
Onto the rest of what you call post (the rest of us call sack of ****),

You apple share has fallen over the past few years, yes it has, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT RELEASED A MAJOR PRODUCT SINCE THE ORIGINAL IMAC, i said it the first time, do not make me repeat myself again and do not split up my threads to justify your original crappy little point.

"nothing revolutionary in the past few years"
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING YOU ****ING LITTLE *******, THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE IMAC2 IS SUCH A BIG DEAL. AND DONT EVEN BOTHER TELLING US THE IMAC WASNT A BIG DEAL.

"denial about the speed thing"
No, i made no comment about the speed issue, i said apples products are based on quality, not speed.
Now your making stuff up, lol, that was the most pathetic attempt to prove something you made up, something you have no evidence for.

Your just being objective because your a little faggit that wants attention. Just give up, every1 here has disagreed with you apart from 2 people, we have all diproved your idea, you know you are wrong.
But you still want attention, so like the ****face that you are you carry on being a stubborn jerk.
You have such a sad little life, you have to post on a forum on the internet, about a subject you know nothing about, having your little ideas being disproved along the way, just so you can get an ego boost.
Surely you really cant be that sad? this sadness goes beyond wanking over bra advertisments (minor hobby of yours). Go home to your **** little bed, go to sleep, and never get back out, i dont want to know what a **** you are in real life.

"apples share has since gone down"
Ofcourse it has dumb****, it always goes down after an expo, it has many a time, but in the long run it will go up. Do you not study what you talk about? What the **** is wrong with your sad little life, why dont you just accept that you are **** and you need to study about what you are interested in.

"anemic egos"
Im not the one in this flame that sticks to his **** little thoughts even though the rest of the forum disagree and prove him wrong. Your the egotist, your the stubborn little **** that needs attention. go home ketho...faggit, go home and cry, hug your teddy, tell teddy all your ****** little thoughts, teddy wont disagree and prove you wrong like we do.
So like i said in my last post, you are a "dumbass".

Apologise for them? worship them? no not at all, i explained to your ignorant little mind:

a) why apple did what they did
b) whos fault most of the hype is.

And what the hell has the event name got to do with what apple will bring out very soon. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING ********, APPLE ARE GOING TO BRING OUT POWERMACS SOON, HENCE NOT DUMPING YOU POWERMAC LOVERS. I thought we had established that but your poxy little mind couldnt cope with it so you had to talk about an unrelated subject, your boosting your ego again kethoticus, And i am destroying it.


""What the **** were they meant to do ********?"

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't mean to blaspheme Steve... er... Lord Jobs. "

Oh im sorry, i didnt mean to blasphem a greek egotistical stubborn atention seeking chronic masturbator.




""Bring out the imac, pro users whine.. Bring out the Pro machine, consumers whine."

I've never heard of any consumers whining about pro models. Where did you get this from? "

God damn you are so ****ing stupid, everyone else in this forum understood, but kethoticus nooooo, ofcourse you didnt.
Consumers would whine if pro models would be introduced instead of the imac, hence delaying the imac and pissing them off.
God damn its no wonder your a ********, your too ****ing thick to realise.


""Stop being such a self obsessed greedy bastard and start realising that the world doesnt revolve around you and whether you get your pro machine."

Greedy?? LOL. Damn. You really are taking this personally. I'm sorry... are you on the Apple design team? "

Personally?? LOL. Damn. yeah, i dont like ****heads.
Strange how ou tried to insult me with that last one instead of respnding to what i said, run out of lies have you? or have you aceepoted what i have said is true and that you are being greedy and that you think the world revolveds around you. Because you should ahve by now, we all know it anyway. LOL, you could be in denial. Now your just lieng to yourself.


""Other people like me need a consumer machine, hence why apple brought it out."

Well if you read my posts you'd know I wasn't condemning the iMac, but the LACK of other announcements. "

IF YOU READ OTHER PEOPLE POSTS ****HEAD YOU WOULD REALISE THAT IT DOESNT MAKE MARKETING SENSE TO BRING OUT MORE THAN 2 BIG PRODUCTS, HENCE PROVING MY POST RIGHT, GO ON THEN DICKWAD, TRY RESPONDING TO THIS ONE, OR WILL YOU JUST COME OUT WITH A CRAPPY LITTLE INSULT TO AVOID ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.



"Wow bro, you really are out to lunch. I'm not supposed to think that I should get a pro machine? And why not? Why am I supposed to think just the way YOU do? Why are my needs supposed to be in complete agreement with yours? Why am I not allowed to need/want a particular thing? Do I tell you what to eat or drink or where to live or what kinds of girls to date? I'll tell you why you feel this way: you perceive any sort of disagreement with what you've anchored your ego structure to as a threat. "

Nice way to avoid the question AGAIN. lets return this wuestion of yours then kethoticus and see who it applies to better.
why cant you accept someone else and the rest of this forum is correct and you are wrong.
The answer, is you are an egotist.
Any sort of "disagreement with me"?? This isnt just disagreeing with me, your disagreeing with the whole of 5 people in here.
Get a life faggit, its FAG Vs Forum.


" I NEVER said I was superior, nor did I even imply it."

you didnt need to, its not what you have said,
its that you :

a) Stick to what you have said despite 5 poeople in here proving you are wrong, and agreeing with me.

b) Its that you seem to think that a pro machine FOR YOU is more important than an imac for others.



"Why? Because you see yourself so poorly. It's really very simple. And people like you are impossible to talk to unless your ego is constantly stroked in the process."

You are the one who is stubborn and a waste of time to argue with.
Why am i arguing with you?, to bring you down a peg.



""your last post proved your far from superior, it proved to us that you are one dumb, ignorant, egotistical, stuck up little wanker."

I rest my case. "

Denial again??? stubborness again???, yes.
LOL, "I rest my case."



""This jealousy coming off you pro users has to stop.
You are not proper mac users, you have no idea of apples ethics, you are scum."

Because I do not appreciate the lamp that turned into a computer I am scum? Interesting gauge you have for judging one's character. Tell me, what would you think of someone who did something really heinous, like spit their gum on the sidewalk? But of course, we both know that this really isn't the issue with you. It goes far deeper. But you'll never admit that to yourself or anyone else. "

It has nothing to do with that ****head, if you bothered to look at what i ahve written without your denial clouding it with lies then you will realise the jealousy of pro users is because you use computers daily and seem to think you are superior because of this.

Nice way to put words into my mouth faggit, shame it didnt work.


"As for everyone else in here who disagrees with those of us who have criticized the Expo's announcements,"

Read the past 2 pages on this subject and you will see what coclusion we have come to....... oh wait, apart from you, i keep forgetting you are in denial.



"The problem here is that Apple said "way beyond the rumors". Please tell me how this Expo fulfilled that?"

Anyone who takes hype literally has got to be a clinically proven idiot. Do you not know anything about marketing?
God damn it ****head, HYPE IS USED TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THE EVENT, MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN HERE REALISE THAT AND SO THEY DONT TAKE IT LITERALLY.......YOU DO BECAUSE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IT..


you spell it "salma hayek".





I agrre with you completely on the price/performance, it just isnt good enough and hasnt been for the past 2 years, i have been posting about that since i joined this forum.
But if you bothered to realise what i write and what other people write then you will see that the powermac range will be revised shortly.

Until then get over your ****ing jealousy, get over your ****ing stubborness, get over your **** little ego, get over the fact that YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT MACWORLD.
So shut the **** up, stop acting like a little kid.




 
""If only you knew you lived in a country that has to bastardise everything to inflate your ego."

Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black. "

Well if that aint the wanker calling me names to avoid my critiscms of him.


Is being a wanker a hobby of yours, or a full time occupation?

[Edited by spikey on 01-09-2002 at 03:30 PM]
 
comedy

Welcome to the discussion, please make yourself comfortable. Monkey poop will be available for throwing as soon as the monkey's bowels recover from the last round. Feel free to post off topic or make personal attacks. We're mostly separated by thousands of miles so broken noses should not be an issue. Ego's will be bruised and Facts will be overlooked. Please feel free to become personally attatched to any meme and have a personal breakdown at any time. Thank you for flying Air Macrumors. Remember citizens, it's not about reality: it's about questioning reality.*BING*
 
dear GOD Spikey!

I started that post before yours was up and you had 3 flames out before I could see just how comedic I was being!!!
 
Re: comedy

Originally posted by mischief
Welcome to the discussion, please make yourself comfortable. Monkey poop will be available for throwing as soon as the monkey's bowels recover from the last round. Feel free to post off topic or make personal attacks. We're mostly separated by thousands of miles so broken noses should not be an issue. Ego's will be bruised and Facts will be overlooked. Please feel free to become personally attatched to any meme and have a personal breakdown at any time. Thank you for flying Air Macrumors. Remember citizens, it's not about reality: it's about questioning reality.*BING*

I have never laughed so ****ing hard in all my life.
 
Cathode-icus

Careful where you swing that mallet boy. There's always a bigger monkey ......and here's a hint: It aint you.

Unless you're posting from within 1 Infinite Loop Dr. you don't get to invalidate other guesses or assume you have better data. If this were a Bar, you'd be a red stain on the floor so behave before we actually take you apart at the psychological seams.
 
Re: Re: comedy

Originally posted by agreenster
Originally posted by mischief
Welcome to the discussion, please make yourself comfortable. Monkey poop will be available for throwing as soon as the monkey's bowels recover from the last round. Feel free to post off topic or make personal attacks. We're mostly separated by thousands of miles so broken noses should not be an issue. Ego's will be bruised and Facts will be overlooked. Please feel free to become personally attatched to any meme and have a personal breakdown at any time. Thank you for flying Air Macrumors. Remember citizens, it's not about reality: it's about questioning reality.*BING*

I have never laughed so ****ing hard in all my life.

Me either... HA!
What is it about today that has caused so many forums to go south?
 
This Week:

It's a combination of so many folks getting WAY too attatched to their guesses, Post Holiday Back-to-work hangovers and a few posters who need penile enhancement so they'll cool off and get a life.
 
Easy Answer

Why have they all gone south??? The days before the MWSF Expo were the most positive, peaceful times here at MacRumors (minus the high traffic).

Everyone was super-excited about Apple. Now there is a clear rift between happy expo people, and dissapointed expo people. (most pro users and consumers, as Spikey and Ketho are arguing, or monkey-poop slinging).

Plus, now there's nothing to talk about, and we are just fighting to fight.

I think Spikey and Ketho are both making good points.
Im half dissapointed from MWSF, and half Happy. I guess you could say Im a fence rider. I think the iMac is cool now (after taking some time to think about it) but I also want a G5.
 
If any one knows this:

If any one knows the metaphor of the stone cutter and the mountain (I can't remember it all) from (i think it was) japanese folklore, It'd say it pretty well. There's always something more.
 
I would agree

I have to say that I follow you, agreenster, along that logic... I too am dissappointed about a lack of PowerMac improvement in SF... However, it's difficult for me to grasp how so many people (especially now that they have had time to think about it) can miss the obvious logic in what Apple is doing - you can't have a 800 mhz G4 iMac AND an 867 mhz G4 together for too long (30 -60 days max?) Apple is obviously trying to dump as much as possible with the highest margin possible to show a good 1st quarter... The release dates of the different iMac models support this theory... I guarantee that the $1800 model has a greater margin than the $1300... And Apple is betting on enough people "having to get their hands on one now" buying the high-end rather than wait for the cheaper ones. Does this make sense?
 
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