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I don't know what more you could have expected (apart from speed bumps for the PowerMac range, admittedly).

The new iMac is the key to Apple's success in 2002, and iPhoto is strategically important in positioning the iMac and Apple as *the* family computer.

Some people on this forum were very negative about the iPod, and it's proved to be successful for Apple already. I think the success of the New iMac in 2002 will blow us all away.

Everyone who knew anything about Apple knew that the iWalk story on *that* site was a hoax - don't expect to see an Apple PDA any time soon.
 
My pointless bit...

Stike, I don't know what you're talking about with the DC240 Kodak camera. Mine has always worked wonderfully with Image Capture and it worked right away with iPhoto. iPhoto is a SERIOUSLY amazing application. I think there's more credit due to it than everyone is giving it.

Has anyone on this board TRIED printing images from their cameras onto photo paper? You have to change the margins for every different printer, you have to move the image around, you have to make sure all your color settings are correct...........BLAH!! Apple fixed all of this for us...FOR FREE. We get web page layouts, book layouts, photo albums, organization of our photos......................

iPhoto is incredible. How many other computer companies would even think about improving this whole process just because nobody else has done it right? Apple is the only company that is willing to take the initiative to innovate. iPhoto is great. You don't see Microsoft doing this stuff first, I'll tell you that.

Also, bigger iBooks. Awesome.

Also, cheaper DVDs!! Double awesome!!

The iMac is an engineering wonder. I think that the moment one of us walks into an Apple Store and sees how small the base is, it'll really have an effect on us. That computer is a marvel! Very nicely done and it goes to show that Apple really doesn't want to have boxes sitting on people's desks. This is a great looking computer with amazing features. Think about it....

15" display - $599
SuperDrive - approx. $600
40 gig HD - approx. $90
G4 800 - enough...
5 USB ports, 2 Firewire, video/audio out ports...

For an $1800 machine, you're sure getting a deal. I mean, hardware pricing aside, you get the aesthetics of the machine, you get OS X, you get free software that is better than any other comparable software on the market...Apple has really gone all out for the new iMac.

We should be applauding Apple for their hard work and ingenuity instead of complaining about being "let down" by the hype. I think they more than lived up to the hype. Some really amazing technology was released today.

So there were no G5s...what can you do? Have you people even used the 867 or the dual 800 with OS X? It's really, really fast. Really. Load that sucker up with RAM and you're good to go. There's really no reason to complain about the lack of speed bumps for the Pro models. Good things come to those who wait.
 
what we were expecting in a new iMac:

g3 1GHz
DVD/CDRW Combo Drive
up to a 15in display
evolutionary design

what we GOT:

g4 700-800
CDRW/COMBO/SuperDrive
15in display
amazing revolutionary design
pricetag starting at 1299 (for a g4!)


that's big, even by Apple's standards. Whether or not it lives up to all the other hype is up in the air. Just remember it is beyond our rumors because our rumors were idiotic, l ike usual.
 
I agree with Sparkleytone. And all the ****faces that dont like the new imac....whats the real reason you dont like it?? (besides..ohhh its not good enough for middle america). What is that supposed to mean, it doesnt resemble the standard gung hoo trailor park intel?LOOK..this thing is a revolution...just watch how its going to sell. ESPECIALLY IN EUROPE. accompanies the introduction of the EURO. **** you all . Ciao.
 
Love the iMac Predictions for Future MacWorlds

I do love the iMac and I am kicking myself for not waiting another month. I got a snow 700mhz a month ago. But I was alittle disapointed that towers and Tibook did not see and upgrade. These are me predictions:
MacWorld Toyko we will see a speed bump in the TiBook lien-700mhz to 800mhz.
MacWorld New York we will see G5 towers up to1.2ghz- 1.5ghz
wishfull thinking but apple could do it:)
 
Tokyo with Apollo, NYC with G5s

OK, lets cut the crap about how ugly the iMac is. There is no way that thing is ugly... its BEAUTIFUL. Period.

Some people havent realized it, but the iMac is not only $100 more than the entry-level Powermac, but it has the DISPLAY too.... so, with the Powermac AND the $600 display... man, that iMac is a REAL bargain....

BTW... this is how it will go... We should see the Apollo G4s at Tokyo (Glad im gonna be there), and at NYC, we should see the long-awaited G5s. I saw some people on this post talking about that they should be releasing the Apollos tomorrow... oh boy.... U got to go do some studying...


iPhoto RULES! I tried it out at a friends house... it works AMAZINGLY... it's just BEAUTIFUL. But still need Photoshop for a few things.... iPhoto should have the ability to reverse a picture horizontally and vertically.... it becomes quite necessary when ur making your Photo Album Book ... just a thought.

I WAS watching the keynote live webcast here in Tokyo at 2AM... I LOVED every moment of it... GREAT WORK STEVE!!!



irmongoose
 
Ciao.
Il nuovo Imac ha un design veramente interessante e una buona potenza, quanto di meglio Apple può mettere in campo. Il prezzo è alto, quanto un PC di fascia alta, a 1,8 Mhz, 256 Mb Ram, 17" Monitor, DVD, Masterizzatore,Speakers esterni....
Certo, come dice mamma Apple - I Mhz non sono tutto, occorrono un system stabile, un'architettura omogenea, delle pipeline più funzionali etc.- E questo è quello che apple fa da sempre, e spesso raggiungendo l'obiettivo. Ma chi acquisterà il nuovo Imac? Il professionista sta aspettando il G5, e il consumatore medio non ha così tanti soldi (Euro 1.599.00 + 20% Tax)... Qui in Italia siamo un pò tristi, perchè vorremmo che queste meravigliose macchine fossero più diffuse. Noi amiamo il Design, le belle forme...e ci ritroviamo ogni giorno davanti agli occhi gli orribili PC beige o le brutte copie colorate del computer che ha cambiato il modo di progettare il mondo.
A presto Amici
 
Not Compatable, Not Expandable CRAP

The iMac does what it says it does. It isnt trying to be something that it isnt. It isnt a mainframe. It isnt a PCI Mac. Its a compact, relatively inexpensive, fast computer that has practical uses. Its broadcast-quality dv video editing features are easy enough a retarded monkey could do it. Expandability is provided by firewire, and less USB. The screen is good enough for the majority of people, but there is a port for the "power users". This is the perfect desktop machine for a school, company, or home. Its easy to install, is idiot proof, and is unobtrusive and artistic in the same breath.

What pisses me off though is that the product isnt ready for shipping. I hate waiting around, I have purchases to make and I want the new machine instead of an older G3 iMac.
 
Originally posted by jon
Ciao.
Il nuovo Imac ha un design veramente interessante e una buona potenza, quanto di meglio Apple può mettere in campo. Il prezzo è alto, quanto un PC di fascia alta, a 1,8 Mhz, 256 Mb Ram, 17" Monitor, DVD, Masterizzatore,Speakers esterni....
Certo, come dice mamma Apple - I Mhz non sono tutto, occorrono un system stabile, un'architettura omogenea, delle pipeline più funzionali etc.- E questo è quello che apple fa da sempre, e spesso raggiungendo l'obiettivo. Ma chi acquisterà il nuovo Imac? Il professionista sta aspettando il G5, e il consumatore medio non ha così tanti soldi (Euro 1.599.00 + 20% Tax)... Qui in Italia siamo un pò tristi, perchè vorremmo che queste meravigliose macchine fossero più diffuse. Noi amiamo il Design, le belle forme...e ci ritroviamo ogni giorno davanti agli occhi gli orribili PC beige o le brutte copie colorate del computer che ha cambiato il modo di progettare il mondo.
A presto Amici
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just out of interest: what is the point of posting something in italian on an english-speaking discussion site? Ok, so you like the design and might find it easier to express it in italian, but if you're here and have registered etc, then surely you understand enough english to get by on. Please, try english in future!
 
is a 10 day build time normal

for the towers...?

All three are on a 10 day build at the apple store.
That seems an unusually long wait.

So is this more to do with the slowness of Motorola and their production of chips or is it, my personal tarot tea leaf mad thought, that they will get speed bumped today after all?

Reasons are simple, Apple since the return of Jobs and the one exception of the not quite thought through Cube (probably more to do with build problems and cracks than the price point in some ways), have never left their product line looking so overlapped.

Don't expect a new case or anything, simply a slightly speed bumped range for the same price points.

Or call me a fool, I'm tough enough to take it.
 
Change

We fear change, change is bad!

Can anyone please tell me what's so wrong about the new iMac?

It's fast, it's got a flat screen, it's small, it's got everything!

Oh, you say it's ugly? Well, all I can say is that Van Gogh wasn't appreciated in his time either. I thought that Apple-fans were openminded.

I'm sorry, but all you guys shouting how ugly the new iMac is & how they're only interested in towers are rather narrow-minded to me. If you just want power, buy a pentium, for Christ's sake. Apple is about more than just performance, remember?

THINK DIFFERENT!

& be pleased that at least 1 company dares to take a freakin' risk.
 
10 days is an average.

The ten day build time is an estimate based on how long it takes for the average BTO to make it from the Sales servers into the manfacturing database, then into the line cues, reserve the parts, and manufacture the machine. I'm not sure but I think they include the time it takes to get it into the shipping company's hands. For a while there you could have a BTO dual 800 tower ordered in the morning and on the Fedex pickup dock by afternoon. Build times always slow down around releases as manufacturing adapts and competition for parts and space even out.
As to getting iMacs out to stores: Apple sometimes "pre-ships" minor revs to get them in stores for the release. New products however usually don't even make it to the distributors before they're announced to maintain confidentiality. There are between three and five companies involved in getting Macs out to customers if you include Apple, Their delivery courier service, the distributors (some vendors), the retailer, and in the case of mail order, an end delivery service. Each exchange takes time. This is why there is delay between Steve on stage and product in hand.

[Edited by mischief on 01-08-2002 at 11:46 AM]
 
Re: Change

Originally posted by Gloria
We fear change, change is bad!

Can anyone please tell me what's so wrong about the new iMac?

..........

THINK DIFFERENT!

& be pleased that at least 1 company dares to take a freakin' risk.
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I can't agree more. And remember when the first iMac was introduced? A lot of people were complaining about not having a floppy disc and serial / parallel ports.

If Apple just made a Flat-screen with a computer in the base it wouldn't be something special. Unfortunately i don't need an iMac at home otherwise I would buy one.

One more thing: "To go where no PC has gone before" this headline could mean that a Computer will finally find its way into peoples livingroom. That is a place that no PC has gone before.
 
Justified Anger

For all those complaining about those complaining about the new iMac, I'm not sure you're getting the gist of what they're saying. Kela, Gloria, the rest of you who believe that the iMac announcement was enough to justify the hype, you are either Mac worshippers / apologists, or you're in denial, possibly exploding with enthusiasm if Apple actually came out with 2GHz G5s yesterday.

The problem is not the iMac's specs or its design (the latter being purely subjective, making some peoples' comments here completely inappropriate). The problem is that it came out as the cake, and not the icing. People here were expecting a machine to be announced that could really go head-to-head with the x86 world in terms of workstation power. And why? because Apple itself led people to believe that.

And why, praytell, is speed so damn important? Because in the computer industry--particularly the content-creation industry which Apple prides itself in "owning"--speed sells, and selling is survival. For all of Apple's non-performance-related "innovations" and "revolutions" (almost as bad as MS with all of these exaggerations of their accomplishments), they're still bleeding market share. If I got my facts correct (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), when Jobs came back, the company had ~3% market share overall. Then it went up to ~5% by the end of 1999. Now? It's back down to ~3%. Apple's "revolutions" just aren't cutting it. A consumer model machine is not going to be enough, unless Apple plans on abandoning its professional customers entirely and going all-out for the consumer. That WOULD be beyond the rumors sites, big even for Apple, etc, etc.

The iMac itself is a decent thing. It's the flat-panel, G4-powered iMac people've been wanting (altho personally I feel it's rather goofy-looking). But we were led to believe that that would only be one part of the equation.

In my semi-humble opinion, unless Steve makes more announcements this week, he deserves the 2002 Ed Wood Award for thinking he's a misunderstood genius but in reality having no clue.
 
A few point to debunk that load of crap:

1. DO NOT make the statement that speed, processing power, and processor performance are the same, because they're NOT.
2. Be patient. this is a FOUR DAY expo.
3.Innovation is Apple's key marketing point.
4. "Cheap computers" don't work when you're producing the whole product yourself and you're trying to compete with 100+ generic manufacturers who don't give 2 farts in a bucket about QC beyond basic functionality.
5. Have you noticed that "Market Wisdom" got us into a recession? Have you noticed that companies that chase after market trends fail? Have you noticed that companies with good ideas that stay true to themselves don't?
 
RAM

Can anyone tell how to configure the imac for one gig of Ram? Can't seem to figure this out. Looks like only one slot is user changable.
Could this be a screw up?
 
Like so:

Apple doesn't have the 512 SODIMMS in appropriate supply yet. Purchase with 512 in the internal DIMM slot, the buy a 512 SODIMM from another vendor and have it installed yourself. It'll run about $200.00 USD for the extra RAM and 50 to 100 for the install.
 
Kethoticus, you greek fag.
Kela and mischief are right.
Why are you comparing to sales markets whith to different sales strategies to one another? Think before you open your mouth.
In the past few years macs havent sold because of speed, as the first imac proved, macs have sold due to all the other attributes that go into making a quality product.
Ofcourse it was enough to justify the hype, look at what we were expecting from the new imac and look at what we got. To replace the most revolutionary PC ever with its sequel is going to be a huge event, and it should be, hence justifying the hype.


"Apple's "revolutions" just aren't cutting in"

that is because since the imac there hasnt been a major revolution, WHICH IS WHY THEY BROUGHT OUT A NEW IMAC.
Market share rose due to the introduction of the first imac.


"A consumer model machine is not going to be enough, unless Apple plans on abandoning its professional customers entirely and going all-out for the consumer."

So you think pro users have been abandoned. Just because the introduced a brilliant consumer machine
instead of your +1Ghz G4/G5. With the introduction of the G4 in imacs, and also the price/value about the imac, then dont you think its a bit of a hint at what apple are going to bring out next macworld? or cant you get your head round that? dumbass.
What the **** were they meant to do ********?
Bring out the imac, pro users whine.. Bring out the Pro machine, consumers whine.
Stop being such a self obsessed greedy bastard and start realising that the world doesnt revolve around you and whether you get your pro machine. Other people like me need a consumer machine, hence why apple brought it out.
Next macworld a pro machine is very likely to come out, try to wait till then and just appreciate the beauty of the imac. Stop being a jealous pro user, and dont think your superior to consumer users and you should get your pro machine instead of an imac. your last post proved your far from superior, it proved to us that you are one dumb, ignorant, egotistical, stuck up little wanker.

This jealousy coming off you pro users has to stop.
You are not proper mac users, you have no idea of apples ethics, you are scum.

 
This is just sad to see.
Apple work their guts out to bring out a new imac, they employ a great design, great hardware, great for OSX, exceed your epectations of what the imac would be like. So what do you all do?
You just sit on your ass and whine about powermacs instead of being happy about the great product that was released yesterday.

So sad, the mac faithfull are diminishing, if not all gone.most of you dont realise the history of apple, and what apple is about. Macites and the ethics of the think different idea have all gone from you. The original mac fan has almost died.


You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
 
NEWSFLASH "Apple dumps Pro line of hardware!!!!!"



Spikey, you hit the nail bang on the head!!!!!!!


Well Said.


 
I personally don't think apple could survive without their pro line. Not only does their pro line allow them to trickle the latest technology down to their consumer line, but it seems like people would also have no reason to convert to the mac OS if macs were not used in business. formally apple made its name by producing top of the line computers for media production, apple can't lose this. Apple would die without their pro line unless they introduce many more consumer products like the iPod or gain at least a maybe 15% share of the computer market with iMacs.

I hope, and it seems reasonable enough, that apple releases their G5 Power Macs this february at the seybold seminars. The G4 was introduced at a seybold seminar only about a month and a half after the first iBooks were introduced. So apple has proven that it is possible to introduce two major products within a short timespan. Another thing to note is that the green G3 towers were introduced at a seybold as well.
 
indeed paul ;)

i didnt just hit it on the head, i hit it through kethoticuses skull, his ego, and his posts
 
I agree with Spikey....

Spikey you blew up a little to much, but it is understandable. SOME, not all, of the pro users are becoming Wintel-like. Don't you guys realize that that is all that separates us from that **** that jumps everytime M$ says to. We don't just slobber for that next 100mhz. We want better usability, better hardware design, for God's sake a better looking computer. Have you guys that are beating Apple down read the results on the G5 testing so far, because from what I've heard it isn't exactly ready yet. If Apple just starts throwing **** out there just to satisfy a portion of the market then guess what,

Applesoft

Please, I am the sole designer in the advertising dept. of a multi-national company. I am able to continue going to college because of the fact that I have a G4 at my apartment. I do every piece of their advertising on 3 computers:

B&W G3 300 256mb RAM Stock
Sawtooth G4 400 448mb RAM Stock (My Baby)
G3 500 iBook 310mb

And I never have trouble meeting deadlines. God what I'd do for a G4 dual anything much less an 800. But, my 400 rockets through all but the biggest Photoshop ops. Yes rendering video is a long process but I just set up the B&W to do the render and continue on with an add or image edit on the iBook, no sweat. I still have time to do all my school projects on the iBook to boot. (Used to use the G4 but the iBook allows me to dedicate it most of the time). Try thinking outside the box. With 3 computers that cost less than the top of the line P-mac I am amazingly productive. Thiss bickering is getting very childish.

Me. Last time I checked anyway.
 
Spikey - be cool

Sure, some people don't get it, but getting cross is just going to upset everyone ;)
 
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