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It’s not 100% foolproof. Either is fingerprint or passcodes. So, with millions of phones sold, presumably with no problem, why do people bash the exceptions that everyone knew would happen in small numbers?! Sheesh.
 
With the machine learning, I am wondering if Apple will add a learning threshold to the device to help satisfy the requirements for Banks and such. I would imagine that as it learns the face, it will be harder to spoof. It would be nice if the user could manually speed up this process by doing a detailed retrain process.

As a rule, I am liking FaceID really well. I LOVE being able to interact with my device without having to pick it up. It is a great device to have in my kitchen. If the device locks, a quick "hey Siri" gets me back to my webpage or recipe without me having to touch the device, or, put my face near my camera for an iris scan.
 
How about just bringing back Touch ID as a freaking option, Cook, or are fingers going the way of DVD/CDs, USB 3.0, Thunderbolt, and all of the other things Apple deems as useless simply to make all of their devices thin enough so Jony Ive can shave his head with them?

You must have missed the iPhone 8 and 8 plus launch. Last time I checked that’s an option for Touch ID.
 
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It’s not 100% foolproof. Either is fingerprint or passcodes. So, with millions of phones sold, presumably with no problem, why do people bash the exceptions that everyone knew would happen in small numbers?! Sheesh.
Because some on here just wait for something like that to happen. The disregard all the evidence and technical problems, just to get to bash Face ID, because they loose their beloved Touch ID or because they hate Apple no matter what.
Face ID works great. Is it 100% fool proof? No, and Apple never claimed that it would be. So, let them get it out of their system and let we can enjoy our new, great phones. :D
 
Does it exist any video like this for Touch ID? Otherwise it seems Touch ID is MORE secure than FaceID.

It is hard to see that someone's fingerprint looks like your's, while it is easy to see that someone's face is similar.
no videos that i know of..
i have seen a few mentions of people at these forums where touchID can be used by two people that happen to know each other.
i'll dig up the posts if need be.
 
With the machine learning, I am wondering if Apple will add a learning threshold to the device to help satisfy the requirements for Banks and such. I would imagine that as it learns the face, it will be harder to spoof. It would be nice if the user could manually speed up this process by doing a detailed retrain process.

As a rule, I am liking FaceID really well. I LOVE being able to interact with my device without having to pick it up. It is a great device to have in my kitchen. If the device locks, a quick "hey Siri" gets me back to my webpage or recipe without me having to touch the device, or, put my face near my camera for an iris scan.

So far I have not missed Touch ID. It opens fast and in between apps it’s touch less.
 
look face ID might be a great idea, not sure about legally, if the police want to investigate, if you hold up the phone, you are toast. With a pass code, you can enter the wrong code and wipe the phone, just waiting for the first lawsuit to hit Tim's desk...I think face ID might be banned...


just press and hold volume up or down and the side button at the same time. this disables face ID and requires a PIN. the police can't force you to enter your PIN.
 
This is true and it's possible that FaceID will improve it's accuracy over time as you use it. But also, this wouldn't be an issue with TouchID - chances of false positive are very small using TouchID while FaceID can be tricked and you can fool it if you deliberately present ambiguous data to it because it will learn it.

Machine learning. The more you use it, the more secure it gets. Setting it up and handing it to your brother on the same day is bound to throw an error
 
So...has anyone tried registering two related people by using the second scan on the second person? Does it detect if you register two different faces in the two passes?
[doublepost=1509813724][/doublepost]So...has anyone tried registering two related people by using the second scan on the second person? Does it detect if you register two different faces in the two passes?
 
How about just bringing back Touch ID as a freaking option, Cook, or are fingers going the way of DVD/CDs, USB 3.0, Thunderbolt, and all of the other things Apple deems as useless simply to make all of their devices thin enough so Jony Ive can shave his head with them?
Thunderbolt still exists? And sorry, but I have never had the urge to but in a CD anywhere. And yes, there is a the freaking option of Touch ID. It's called iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus. And while were at it, why not bring back the 30 pin connector? I would like to have the choice to support my 8 year old docking station.
And how about using Face ID? It works great, and instantly. And with a bit of training it will also be fool proof for siblings.
 
I wonder how does Wells Fargo and other banks feel about this. So far I like my iPhone X but when someone just wants to see my phone and ask for it I am afraid of looking at the screen and unlock it without me intending to.

If you are that concern, just don’t give it. Problem solved.
 
Machine learning. The more you use it, the more secure it gets. Setting it up and handing it to your brother on the same day is bound to throw an error

It didnt "throw an error", it let someone else unlock his phone. So it isn't secure after setup. Does it notify you when it is secure?
 
Im not saying it isn't good enough, I just want to squash the myth that the phone contains some magic making it better at ruling out others when it is actually trying get better at finding "you" in faces "obscured" by makeup/hair/what-ever.
It's not magical... Initially the level of confidence required to unlock the iPhone is low (and easy to fool). As it gather more samples of you face, the system improve its level of confidence (your face versus an average face). As its level of confidence improve, the level of confidence required to unlock the phone is set higher. And by requiring a higher level of confidence, it could better rules out others.
 
What about Touch ID? Does that work for both or not? 1 in a million. Ahuh right. I think they just made up the number.
Now comes the flood of people demanding Touch ID reinstatement.
 
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Android security bug: "oh let's discuss" apple security bug: "nothing is perfect can't we focus on the positive?"
It's not a bug. These guys look very much alike, and the neural engine was just not trained enough. The device assumed, that based on the lack of other scans, that the brother was the same person. That is why it did not unlock instantly but he had to try 2 times. The first two times Face ID said; Nope, not the same person. By the third time Face ID thought; ups, it might be the same person, as I do not have enough evidence to compare it to.
 
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Tough ID isnt anywhere near as secure. I was able to open one of my friends iPhone who had touch ID. I also was able to get into the phone of one of my co-workers by tapping touch ID multiple times very fast.
 
I do wish people would stop saying it's 1 : 1,000,000 odds.

Yes Apple said that in their Presentation/Advert for a product they wanted to sell.

But that does not make it a fact.
I'm sure we are all intelligent to understand this is a calculated/estimated number, using much smaller amounts of data to come up with a nice BIG number of 1 million.

You would never gather data and hit exactly a million dead on anyway, so it's obviously a made up number.

Note: I'm not saying it's a deliberate lie. But we must understand it's not fact, it's a estimation based just on their own data sample. Nothing more.

Regarding 1 : 1,000,000, Tim Cook also said that there were no FM chips in iPhones so the National Association of Broadcasters did a tear down and guess what they found. FM chips! Apparently Tim Cook only believes they're FM chips if Apple had enabled them. In his mind, that is not a lie. So I knew this Face ID would have issues for at least the first time out the gate.

This is why I'll be saving money and waiting for iPhone XI with the return of Touch ID.
 
Apple claims that touch ID is only 1:50,000 which means that face ID is 20x more secure. However, is the 1 in 50,000 likely to be someone closely related to you or statistically randomized among the entire world population?
If the latter then I'd rather have the 1 in 50,000.
Since a large number of users are going to be teens and millennials, they will have siblings living at home with them who can get access to their phone. Not the userbase you want to inconvenience.
 
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they look very alike actually. Just one is bald and one is not
very true. And given that face ID still work with a hat, I am not surprised.

The “problem” with face ID is not the 1:1000000 probability of some random poeple able unlock your phone, but the fact that those who could do it are close to you. So the event of someone else unlocking your phone do have a higher probability with face ID. Apple was very honest with that, explicitelly telling about it during the keynote.

That said, to me it seams to be a very minor problem, and all the advantages of face ID (transparent unlocking and sign in) just win the game vs touch ID.
 
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People are going to be disabling face id and just using passcodes in a few weeks. Sad.
Face ID works fine, and if you had tried it you would know that this is the truth. But let's go off on a video on reddit. Because reddit is the sanctuary of truth.
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Apple claims that touch ID is only 1:50,000 which means that face ID is 20x more secure. However, is the 1 in 50,000 likely to be someone closely related to you or statistically randomized among the entire world population?
If the latter then I'd rather have the 1 in 50,000.
Since a large number of users are going to be teens and millennials, they will have siblings living at home with them who can get access to their phone. Not the userbase you want to inconvenience.
I am a millennial and do not have a sibling, but sure, let's go off and generalize.
 
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