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Face ID Appears to Fail at Telling Apart Brothers Who Aren't Twins in New Videos [Updated]
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Quick! Plug the cracks in the dam! 
It's the glasses that do it. Just wear the same glasses and BOOM...in like Flynn.
It's the glasses that do it. Just wear the same glasses and BOOM...in like Flynn.
They can’t have both. I hate losing TouchID, but if getting rid of the Home button for a no-bezel screen, so be it Business decision.
For me at least, faceId is awesome. Just pick up and use the phone. Maybe I’ll start trying it with random people to see if it works with anyone
Why, 99% will enable both so the brother still could have gotten in via Face ID.
how does this “low quality” you perceive in Face ID affect you? Do you have a nosy lookalike sibling? Are you worried about an evil identical stranger unlocking your phone? Or are you just reacting negatively because that’s what you’re programmed to do?
Any claim that Face ID has security issues before the year's end is fundamentally flawed. Face ID is powered by machine learning. It scans your face and updates its model accordingly every time you attempt to authenticate using it. It learns from times when it doesn't unlock, and you then type the correct password. It gives heavier weighting to the best scans and, of course, gets to know you better with time. The first two scans in setup will provide some basis for your initial interactions but will quickly become insignificant in the model. If someone's sibling manages to get in after a month or so of use by the main user, then we can be concerned.
I agree with you when it comes to many things but not security and access to personal information.
You make an spot-on excellent point.
It's more than just the numbers.
It would be like saying:
There are 7,580,000,000 Over seven and a half billion people on the earth NOW.
The iPhone only unlocks to people who wear a T-Shirt with a specific logo on it. (my workplace)
At my workplace, we only have 30 people working.
So out of the entire population 7.58 billion, only 30 can unlock my phone.
So only 1 in over 252 million people can unlock my phone
That's over 250 times more secure than the current Face ID system
Super secure huh ?
Well no.......
It means, due to my location and real life usage, everyone who I work with, every single day has access to my phone.
As you can see. it's more than just the numbers that counts for how secure something is.
Curious, what does putting on glasses have to do with fooling it? Thought glasses were essentially ignored in the face map.
Still a failure in my eyes if Apple couldn’t perfect it, they shouldn’t have released it until it was better
Bizarre. Clearly....they're not. It unlocked when he had the glasses on. So an integral part of the unlocking process by the looks of it.
you would make an EXCELLENT security specialist
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I could post a photo of a white piece of paper on a table and someone somewhere on the internet would say it’s fake.
Then perhaps the setup process should require multiple scans to initialize.
apologist here
Phil Schiller did say in the keynote that the chances of another person unlocking your iPhone with Face ID are higher if "that person shares a close genetic relationship with you". Full brothers have 50% of their genes in common.
Gross generalization. Full brothers share approximately 50% of the genes that make us unique with each other, which is roughly 5% of your total genes. You share about 98% of your total genes with every other human.
The technology is amazing. No one is using it yet. The fact that it’s not perfect is understable. As for a higher degree of scrutiny due to the increased price - This is a Phone for affluent people for whom $1,500 is nothing. The genius of Apple is that they are not trying to take over the entire world. They take over the affluent part of the world. I spent two hours in line yesterday with hundreds of folks who didn’t look rich. I didn’t get the phone, but the Apple store reserved one me for me for my trouble. I went there last night and got it in 20 minutes with a reservation.
Is this phone worth $1,500? Of course not. But, I’m a shareholder and I love it that Apple is able to sell the phone for this price and people keep coming and begging Apple to sell them this phone. I witnessed it yesterday. At night, people kept coming in droves hoping to get a phone.
Apple made me $25,000 just in one day yesterday. I felt I could spend $1,500 to own a piece if tech that has made me a fortune in the past decade.
No one is entitled to this phone and no one must have this phone. This is your choice. If you can afford it, buy it. If you can’t afford it but “must have” it, buy it. Otherwise, don’t buy it or if you already bought it, return it. This phone is a luxury item, and you are volunteering your own money to make me and other shareholders richer. It’s your choice, but make no mistake: Apple owes you nothing. Apple is not begging you to buy their phones. You are begging Apple to sell you their phone even when you know you can’t afford it and should not spend your money on it. And that’s the genius of Apple.
Is this phone worth $1,500? Of course not. But, I’m a shareholder and I love it that Apple is able to sell the phone for this price and people keep coming and begging Apple to sell them this phone. I witnessed it yesterday. At night, people kept coming in droves hoping to get a phone.
Apple made me $25,000 just in one day yesterday. I felt I could spend $1,500 to own a piece if tech that has made me a fortune in the past decade.
No one is entitled to this phone and no one must have this phone. This is your choice. If you can afford it, buy it. If you can’t afford it but “must have” it, buy it. Otherwise, don’t buy it or if you already bought it, return it. This phone is a luxury item, and you are volunteering your own money to make me and other shareholders richer. It’s your choice, but make no mistake: Apple owes you nothing. Apple is not begging you to buy their phones. You are begging Apple to sell you their phone even when you know you can’t afford it and should not spend your money on it. And that’s the genius of Apple.
haha, true, if you can't trust a family member that looks like you, then face ID security is the least of your worries.
Where is the engineering data that shows the phone would stop authenticating the non-twin brother after a certain period of "machine learning"
As for "countless idiots" claiming it's not secure, this video is an objective demonstration that it's not, at least for relatives who look similar.
... or the fact that both times they trade off phones, the phone goes below the lowest portion of the camera angle. Did you notice that the phone went below the level of the video right before he put his glasses on?
1. They could be trying to get their 5 minutes of fame to fool everyone... who cares
2. They could have figured out a way for similar people to fool the system (add accessories)
3. They could have a questionable setup process
4. It could be due to first time accuracy with the lack of multiple points for machine learning (i.e. gets better with time)
5. Phone could have been angled enough to capture the original brother (he is out of frame)
6. Does it really matter? Are you legitimately worried that you're going to lose your locked phone, and just by absolute chance, the person that found it coincidentally looks like you?