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Curious, what does putting on glasses have to do with fooling it? Thought glasses were essentially ignored in the face map.

Their ignored after you initially scan your face without them. If you set up the phone with them on, your basically telling the phone that those glasses are a facial feature. This probably lowers the accuracy because some facial features are covered during the setup.
 
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Machine learning. The more you use it, the more secure it gets. Setting it up and handing it to your brother on the same day is bound to throw an error

This.

After setting up Face ID, I was kinda disappointed because it wouldn’t let me unlock the phone whilst wearing my, pretty much mediocre, ray ban aviator sunglasses. After using it a few times throughout the day it suddenly started to recognize me with my sunglasses on. I haven’t had any issues ever since.

It’s the other way around here, I know. But for me, machine learning is a pretty logical answer. And it surely gets better, more accurate and more secure the more it “learns” how your face looks like.
 
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This x1000. Apple clearly states it learns and improves as you use it. You can’t just enroll a face then give it to your twin (this is what CNN Money did in their video - they literally handed it straight to the twin after enrollment).

Won’t stop countless idiots from claiming it’s not secure, though.
Source? I don't remember them saying it collects more data after initial set up...
 
My wife’s younger brother was always able to use his thumb to unlock her phone. Touch ID wasn’t perfect.
 
You waited till next year because you either can’t afford it or need to justify the fact that you couldn’t get it. This Face ID works fast and perfectly. You are missing out. Trust me it’s not in beta.
Nope I waited because the specs didn’t blow me away me the 8 plus has the same specs but cheaper. I’ll get the larger X version next year and when the specs get bumped up
 
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This doesn't mean face id is less secure, wondering anyone tried to find two people with similar finger prints to test touch id when it came out? people look alike are just easier to find...
 
Where is the engineering data that shows the phone would stop authenticating the non-twin brother after a certain period of "machine learning"

As for "countless idiots" claiming it's not secure, this video is an objective demonstration that it's not, at least for relatives who look similar.

Actually this video is nothing and shouldn't even be considered since we don't know how they setup the phone, and multiple times the phone leaves the camera view.
 
Seems slow and a pain to use, which is a problem. Maybe if you got rid of the extra swipe up after it unlocks it would seem less clunky? I don't know, but that second of hesitation it takes to unlock shouldn't be there.

This is another example of why Apple isn't the same company and puts out lesser products than they used to. The ugly cutout and the clunky face-id system, the camera hump simply wouldn't have happened before. Now they make compromises, and it's hard to be dedicated or care about products that clearly are "good enough." Overall they still make the best smartphones I suppose, but where they used to be in a whole different league than their competition, now they're very much just another phone maker. What's especially frustrating is that this has been allowed to happen as they pile up 200+ billion in cash--they have the resources to be so much better.

As far as this video...well, it's not good, but maybe they handed off the phone during setup?
 
Seems slow and a pain to use, which is a problem. Maybe if you got rid of the extra swipe up after it unlocks it would seem less clunky? I don't know, but that second of hesitation it takes to unlock shouldn't be there.

This is another example of why Apple isn't the same company and puts out lesser products than they used to. The ugly cutout and the clunky face-id system, the camera hump simply wouldn't have happened before. Now they make compromises, and it's hard to be dedicated or care about products that clearly are "good enough." Overall they still make the best smartphones I suppose, but where they used to be in a whole different league than their competition, now they're very much just another phone maker. What's especially frustrating is that this has been allowed to happen as they pile up 200+ billion in cash--they have the resources to be so much better.

As far as this video...well, it's not good, but maybe they handed off the phone during setup?

And NO ONE HAS to buy it. And with all the negative things that you have to say, people still buy them. If it was that much of a "flaw" no one would buy it.

While many can agree with your sentiments, the numbers don't lie. People have been lining up and throwing apple money for phones since the day they were released. They don't care about humps or notches. They care about latest and greatest, and can't wait for the notchless iPhone XI, because they're going to buy that one too.

Hell, they even bought them when they didn't work... antenna gate anyone?
 
Seems slow and a pain to use, which is a problem. Maybe if you got rid of the extra swipe up after it unlocks it would seem less clunky? I don't know, but that second of hesitation it takes to unlock shouldn't be there.

This is another example of why Apple isn't the same company and puts out lesser products than they used to. The ugly cutout and the clunky face-id system, the camera hump simply wouldn't have happened before. Now they make compromises, and it's hard to be dedicated or care about products that clearly are "good enough." Overall they still make the best smartphones I suppose, but where they used to be in a whole different league than their competition, now they're very much just another phone maker. What's especially frustrating is that this has been allowed to happen as they pile up 200+ billion in cash--they have the resources to be so much better.

As far as this video...well, it's not good, but maybe they handed off the phone during setup?

The requirement for the swipe is likely a security measure to prevent people from accessing a phone that was inadvertently unlocked by its owner looking at it.
 
Source? I don't remember them saying it collects more data after initial set up...

Indeed.
I'm pretty sure I recall, just a few weeks ago on these forums, it being posted that Face ID "DOES NOT" record additional data from your face after the initial set up.

I even recall myself writing a posting to that thread.

People are now, seeming to make up a new story that it's constantly reading more data every time and adding to dsome internal detail database.

As I said, I thought it was said weeks ago this did not happen.
 
Indeed.
I'm pretty sure I recall, just a few weeks ago on these forums, it being posted that Face ID "DOES NOT" record additional data from your face after the initial set up.

I even recall myself writing a posting to that thread.

People are now, seeming to make up a new story that it's constantly reading more data every time and adding to dsome internal detail database.

As I said, I thought it was said weeks ago this did not happen.

It does gather additional data. Behind the Apple reality distortion field people seem to be living in. :p
 
Where is the engineering data that shows the phone would stop authenticating the non-twin brother after a certain period of "machine learning"

As for "countless idiots" claiming it's not secure, this video is an objective demonstration that it's not, at least for relatives who look similar.
Don’t forget that a large percentage of people never set up a security code or activate TouchID. Apple requires that a security code is activated only if you want to use iCloud. Most iPhone users have no clue about iCloud or anything else besides browsing Facebook on their phone.

If you like TouchID better, get an iPhone 8.
 
Don’t forget that a large percentage of people never set up a security code or activate TouchID. Apple requires that a security code is activated only if you want to use iCloud. Most iPhone users have no clue about iCloud or anything else besides browsing Facebook on their phone.

If you like TouchID better, get an iPhone 8.

Lots of assumptions.
 
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