Not really, you're making assumptions that another App store on the iPhone would be run just like Google Play. There are lots of ways it could be managed.
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Not really, you're making assumptions that another App store on the iPhone would be run just like Google Play. There are lots of ways it could be managed.
I think it’s a fair bet to say it’ll work out exactly the same. What makes you think it’ll be so different?
Sophisticatednut
macrumors 68030
It a different store.
Steam, epic store and GOG pays zero fees to Microsoft for selling games on their platform.
They also pay zero fees to apple for selling games on their platform on Macs.
You are mixing different platforms such as a windows or PlayStation and Mac. They are physically different in the same way a gasoline car can’t run on diesel or an electric car can’t run on gas.
No they don’t. We did not sign any contract or agreement when we bought our phones.
Agreeing to ToS after we already owned it is null and void of everything on the device. Only services using apples services count in that.
Sophisticatednut
macrumors 68030
Google play is much more free and it make’s little to no difference having a different store.
Apple on the other hand is extremely limiting.
In what games and programs you can sell. There are giant markets and demands not being met on the iPhone as it’s currently impossible
And yes we do have a right to use it exactly how ever we want when we owns the product. And apple will be forced to change that next year by EU.
You value corporate ownership. We value private ownership
russell_314
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Everyone here is quoting a single verdict from a single judge in a single country. Yeah, let’s not talk about how the EU dragged Apple kicking and screaming to USB-C. The world doesn’t revolve around one little judge in one country. You have to think Apple sells iPhones around the world.
russell_314
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Google has more defense because android phones are not locked into the Play store. An android phone is like a computer where you can just download apps from a webpage.
I really like the closed system Apple has, but I think it’s getting out hand. When Apple can say oh we don’t like gambling so you can’t have a gambling app or we don’t like vapes so you can’t have those apps. How about let the people decide what apps they want on their phone as long as they’re not breaking the law.
SteveJawbs
macrumors regular
Fair point. Very fair point.
Apple and Google enjoy the lack of technical knowledge of the owners of their phones.
If you saw the granularity of the logs Microsoft Azure Sentinel agent sends to your Azure subscription you would be shocked.
Apple doesn’t allow us to see this level of logging.
Can anyone me why there is no viable firewall auditing and logging app for the iPhone?
Because Apple, Google and all major BigTech vendors don’t want ANY of us to see the packets flying out of our phone.
Imagine if you had a historical history of every outbound packet from your iPhone.
Why hasn’t any major software vendor given us a robust iPhone firewall?
Simple - they don’t want us to have the power of a Fortigate on our phone.
It’s a trip how that works.
I’ll hand anyone reading this post $50,000 if they could give me a Fortigate level firewall app for iPhones.
We would be billionaires and hang out with Elon.
But - Apple doesn’t want us to see our own traffic - only major corporations are allowed to OWN their traffic. Apple doesn’t want us to have that kind of control. Our iPhones are incredible little packages of insanely wild spyware.
dk001
macrumors demi-god
2 reasons. First, because the options currently available are opposite ends of the spectrum. Google Play is the wild west compared to the locked down Apple App Store. It's possible other solutions within the spectrum could come into play. Second, competition is good, not just as far as app pricing, but as far as how the app store is run/managed/designed. Since Apple is the only player for app distribution, what motivation do they have to make changes?
spazzcat
macrumors 601
No, you don't own the software. You have a license to use to it nothing more.
russell_314
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spazzcat
macrumors 601
You signed an agreement when you clicked on I Agree when you turned on your phone and it is a binding agreement.
spazzcat
macrumors 601
I still think it is funny that people think Apple was never going to go to USB-C on the iPhone. Assuming they were not moving to be portless and skipping USB-C all together.
spazzcat
macrumors 601
Sophisticatednut
macrumors 68030
Yes we do in Europe. It’s end of sale and that copy is for you to do with as you wish.
You can’t sign a license after purchase as you use it. That’s apples problem not ours.
Good luck enforcing it in Europe. The courts already say it can be ignored. There’s not a single line in the end user license agreement you agree to on the start up of the phone that is legally enforceable.
The exhaustion of intellectual property rights constitutes one of the limits of intellectual property(IP) rights. Once a given product has been sold under the authorization of the IP owner, the reselling, rental, lending and other third party commercial uses of IP-protected goods in domestic and international markets is governed by the principle.
After a product covered by an IP right, such as by a patent right, has been sold by the IP right owner or by others with the consent of the owner, the IP right is said to be exhausted. It can no longer be exercised by the owner. This limitation is also referred to as the exhaustion doctrine or first sale doctrine. For example, if an inventor obtains a patent on a new kind of umbrella, the inventor (or anyone else to whom he sells his patent) can legally prohibit other companies from making and selling this kind of umbrella, but can not prohibit customers who have bought this umbrella from the patent owner from reselling the umbrella to third parties.
The same applies to software patents. If a piece of software containing a patented algorithm is redistributed by the patent owner, for example by Microsoft via GitHub, the patent is exhausted.
Irrespective if the source code is available or not.
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dk001
macrumors demi-god
Not code however in some regions you own a copy of the software. Not licensed; own.
Abazigal
Contributor
Spotify isn’t doing so great themselves. Not sure if they think that tearing down the App Store walls will help their fortunes, but I believe their problems go way beyond the cut. Basically, they have way too many users in the free tier who have demonstrated no desire to switch to a paid subscription, and that is clearly hurting their bottom line.
Sophisticatednut
macrumors 68030
Well it would suddenly expose their iOS users to paying for a subscription. Instead of staying on a free tier
Abazigal
Contributor
I suspect the bulk of their users on the free tier are coming from developing countries like India where people have lower earning power. They are also predominantly android users.
It’s not an App Store problem. It’s a user base monetisation issue (that and Apple Music has likely stolen a chunk of Spotify’s user base in developed countries where there tend to be more iPhone users).
Spotify is either trying to conflate the two, distract from their own failing business model, or both.
Yes, but again, you knew what the phone would and would not do when you bought it. Nothing’s been taken away.
Apps haven’t been removed. And those same apps work on the great equalizer, the web. I fail to see the problem.
And I would argue social media isn’t the digital town square, but more the digital town lynch mob. But that’s another discussion.
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
Do people still regularly buy apps? It’s got to be 8 or 9 years since I last bought an app and even then I think I’ve only bought 3 or 4 ever.
BvizioN
macrumors 603
I don't think he has missed the point. You get the phone with an operating system supported by Apple. You can jailbreak it and do whatever you want with it if you don't care about the manufacture warranty but Apple will not entertain the idea of supporting side-load of potentially malicious apps. People are fully aware of this when they purchase the phone and have the option not to buy it and go Android instead. But vast majority stick around and we all know why.
Sophisticatednut
macrumors 68030
I don’t think so. When someone download Spotify they don’t know they have a paid option. They will have an extremely hard time getting them to upgrade when they can’t even tell them about it.
All the wile users gets bombarded with advertisements for Apple Music with a paid option with no advertising.
Doesn’t matter to private property. It’s not a rental service. And as I said before EU is forcing them to allow side loading next year with DMA
Manufacturers warranty doesn’t go away for jailbreaking. The law doesn’t allow it.
Apple already supports side loading if you have a developer account. Apples problem is they are inconsistent and they will be forced to open up as they are anti competitive
BvizioN
macrumors 603
See, this is exactly what you (and other side loading supporters) don't seem to understand. Developers know exactly what they are doing and what kind of apps they are side-loading to their phones. The average Jo (doctors, builders, nurses, teachers, kids, elderly, pretty much 99.99% of customers) would not.