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Can you explain why is wasn't on my iPhone then? I've only had a month so Im remember turning it off? Maybe its linked to when you set up the iPhone and you can select not to share analytics with apple? if that incase then apple after giving you a pop up to turn of target ads I guess
I have no idea. Maybe you turned it off on a previous phone. But it is definitely turned on by default. The articles I linked explain that to. That is the position they are taking against Apple. Apple tracks you be default and doesn't give you a popup or warning, but they will for Facebook and every other company.
 
Are you serious? I'm not sure if you're joking. Who doesn't know Facebook is tracking them? I'm pretty sure every single last human being on this planet Earth knows Facebook's business model. Please don't try to feign ignorance. Facebook tracks it's users and monetizes that. That has been known for over a decade now. Thanks but try again
So everyone knows that Facebook is tracking them with all sorts of spying techniques ... then ... by your own words .... there is no problems in presenting the message (dialogbox) to users and agreeing to being tracked ...

You just solved the first argument in this post ... people know there are been spied on anyways so this new message is not really a problem !!!
 
Let's see if I can translate their complaint:

"The only way people will use our service is if they don't know how we're using and abusing their personal information. If you make people aware of how creepy we are, they'll stop using our platform."

The point against subscriptions being anti-consumer is bogus. People would still be free to use a 'paid with information' instead of 'paid with cash' option. The difference is that they'd be *informed*.

And the comparison with Apple is likewise bogus because we already got that prompt when we did the initial OS install - which covers all apple services and software.
Facebook is used the world over. Not just in rich countries like the US. How would most of the African continent continue to use Facebook if there was a monthly subscription? How would any other country not as fortunate and wealthy as other countries continue to use Facebook if there was a monthly subscription fee? I wish Facebook would try it for 6 months. Start charging and see how many people use it.
 
So everyone knows that Facebook is tracking them with all sorts of spying techniques ... then ... by your own words .... there is no problems in presenting the message (dialogbox) to users and agreeing to being tracked ...

You just solved the first argument in this post ... people know there are been spied on anyways so this new message is not really a problem !!!
No, the problem is that Apple tracks you too and you get no popup when you use Apple apps. Apple makes $2B a year off of targeted advertising.
 
If all did not abuse a privilege. DuckDuckGo web browser screen captures attached. Typical over many different webpages. Notice the big three abusers. Notice who is not there.
 

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The right track to create services analyzing your data and what apps you use the most. 👀😅

Y’know, I don’t object to my data being tracked if it conforms to my two most desirable stipulations. 1. Rather obviously, I must agree to it - which unfortunately means I have to read far more t&c’s than I’d like to. and 2. They use differential privacy, or a similar kind of algorithm, so that the information collected is in no way tied to my account.

I’ll hold my hand up and freely admit that I share usage and diagnostic data with Apple, because I know two things. It’s important to improve upon the services I value most. And it’s not actually linked to my Apple account.

I’d love every company to, yes of course provide full terms and conditions, but also to clearly and simply state how and why my information is collected and used, before I ever hit an agree button.

No legal jargon, no creative wording to hide its true intentions, just good old-fashioned truth, written in plain language everyone can understand.

I’d like that, because it would save me hours of my life draining away into utter boredom ;)
 
Small businesses are only ‘suffering’ because Facebook made it very easy to set up a ‘free’ business website and link you to customers. A Faustian Pact.

People only complain when they realise all their options have been destroyed by the ‘great saviour’, whether that be Walmart, Facebook, et al. By then it’s difficult, if not impossible, to go back.
 
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Small businesses are only ‘suffering’ because Facebook made it very easy to set up a ‘free’ business website and link you to customers. A Faustian Pact.

People only complain when they realise all their options have been destroyed by the ‘great saviour’, whether that be Walmart, Facebook, et al. By then it’s difficult, if not impossible, to go back.
The only 'great savior' on here is Apple. Like tricking people into thinking they are exposing Facebook, but actually they are still hiding their own targeted advertising practices.
 
No, the problem is that Apple tracks you too and you get no popup when you use Apple apps. Apple makes $2B a year off of targeted advertising.
So go and change platforms .... and use android man ... stop bitching for crying out loud ... it’s just a one time prompt ... and again by your own words you said that people already know Facebook spies on them using all sorts of techniques ... this prompt shouldn’t be a problem ... right !
 
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No that doesn't come up. I have set up many iPhones and never once seen that long wall of text explaining their advertising. You have to go into the settings yourself and turn off Apple's targeted advertising. Most people will never do that.
I just choose not to share data with Apple on all the prompts, is this different?

I also reset my ad tracker from time to time .
 
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Last year with iOS 13, my better half would try to FaceTime me and the camera was in use. Baffled, I troubleshot it and came to find out Instagram was the app using the camera. Shortly after, Apple announced that iOS 14 would provide an indicator when your camera was in use. Interestingly enough, more users started complaining about the problem my better half had which led to Instagram patching their app and the problem magically disappeared before iOS 14 officially dropped.

Bottom line: I'm all for Apple introducing privacy settings to give us more knowledge of what is going on as well as providing us a choice.
 
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So go and change platforms .... and use android man ... stop bitching for crying out loud ... it’s just a one time prompt ... and again by your own words you said that people already know Facebook spies on them using all sorts of techniques ... this prompt shouldn’t be a problem ... right !
Wait, I should stop bitching about Apple. But everyone should keep bitching about Facebook. Yes I know, I know. We get it. Apple good-everybody else bad.
 
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I just choose not to share data with Apple on all the prompts, is this different?

I also reset my ad tracker from time to time .
Yea because you know how to do that. Would your mom or grandma know how to reset their ad tracker or turn off targeted advertising? Why is it good for Apple to provide popups for other apps, but not for their own?
 
Last year with iOS 13, my better half would try to FaceTime me and the camera was in use. Baffled, I troubleshot it and came to find out Instagram was the app using the camera. Shortly after, Apple announced that iOS 14 would provide an indicator when your camera was in use. Interestingly enough, more users started complaining about the problem my better half had which led to Instagram patching their app and the problem magically disappeared before iOS 14 officially dropped.

Bottom line: I'm all for Apple introducing privacy settings to give us more knowledge of what is going on as well as providing us a choice.
Yes nothing wrong with Apple doing that. Unless of course they don't hold their own apps to those same standards.
 
Wait, I should stop bitching about Apple. But everyone should keep bitching about Facebook. Yes I know, I know. We get it. Apple good-everybody else bad.
Just get back to subject ... this is about a extra prompt ... that’s it ...

And again by your own words you said that people already know Facebook spies on them using all sorts of techniques ... this prompt shouldn’t be a problem ... right !
 
Dude have you read any of the 500 comments I have made on this thread. Or read the two articles I posted which explain my point.



Try to educate yourself a little and read before you waste time posting nonsense.
I turned off all of that. I think that turning that all off is what we should be doing if you don't want ads.
 
Read the post right above yours. Apple shows its own ads in its own apps.
The difference, I would expect Apple to do ad tracking on their sites. Where are the Google, Amazon, and Facebook ad tracking on the Apple sites? in my example USA wanted to send me an ad for their subscription, would expect that also. Not 37 ads from who knows what and what they are doing with the tracking information.
 
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To all the trollers who have come out from under their bridges, as people have pointed out, please identify where Apple is tracking you—they state clearly that they don’t. They have also said that the policy applies to their apps as well so please up your game.
Ok, I really hate to do this on my first post. I am looking at purchasing a new M1 macbook pro or intel version depending on what feature set I am looking for....but please don't think for a second that APple does not track, follow or otherwise know exactly what you are doing on your apple devices.

MacOS Big Sur is spying on everything you do and sending the data to Apple - NotebookCheck.net News
 
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Just get back to subject ... this is about a extra prompt ... that’s it ...

And again by your own words you said that people already know Facebook spies on them using all sorts of techniques ... this prompt shouldn’t be a problem ... right !
This is not about a prompt! This is about Apple holding other companies apps to a different standard than its own. I don't see why that logic is so hard to follow. I don't care if it's a prompt, a notification, or a pop up. If Apple forces other apps to explicitly tell you they are tracking you and give you the choice, why is it that it doesn't do the same to its own apps. Could it be because they don't want to lose the $2B a year they make on targeted ads. I know it doesn't fit your agenda and you love Apple, but facts are facts. If they are doing such a good thing, they should do it with their own apps also.
 
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Facebook is used the world over. Not just in rich countries like the US. How would most of the African continent continue to use Facebook if there was a monthly subscription? How would any other country not as fortunate and wealthy as other countries continue to use Facebook if there was a monthly subscription fee? I wish Facebook would try it for 6 months. Start charging and see how many people use it.

I agree with the point that not everyone the world over could afford to use a subscription variation of a service such as Facebook. Of that there is absolutely no doubt and no argument. However, it is possible for a service to be both advertising funded and privacy focused.

There seems to be this bizarre notion that one must collect personal and/or private information in order to profit from it. It is an utter fallacy. With a user base as large as Facebook, companies will pay to have their adverts shown no matter what. They do not have to target them specifically to an individual user, because those same users will see the advert regardless if it is shown across the board.

Yes, tracked advertising is without doubt more efficient and almost certainly more profitable for the platform hosting the adverts. But absolutely necessary for the survival of the hosting platform? No, that I could never believe, not when there has been so much evidence to the contrary - Specifically, every business that ever existed with advertising funded operations, before tracked advertising was ever a thing.
 
The difference, I would expect Apple to do ad tracking on their sites. Where are the Google, Amazon, and Facebook ad tracking on the Apple sites? in my example USA wanted to send me an ad for their subscription, would expect that also. Not 37 ads from who knows what and what they are doing with the tracking information.
Oh I see your logic. I love Apple and its ok that they track me on their own site. Just don't track me on any other site. Doesn't everyone say no tracking is good. Now you're saying its ok for Apple to track. Got it.
 
My only issue with any of it is the use of the term "track". This phrase has implications that are simply not true, so it over exaggerates the point. I also feel like, because people in general don't like advertising (despite the enormous amount of things its existence provides them on a daily basis), that this results in excessive support for anything that acts "against" advertising in anyway, even if it is not really good for them or others.
If course it is true. It tracks your behavior. I’d rather pay money for a service than paying with my profile.
 
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