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Facebook Says Apple's Upcoming Anti-Tracking Prompt is 'More About Profit Than Privacy' [Updated]
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Yes just like Apple is an altruistic company. Not a capitalistic company worth over $2T and the highest net worth in history. Cool story bro.
I prefer to pay for something up front and clearly as opposed to having a company use underhanded tactics to use my information in ways I don’t agree with or have knowledge of.
It’s not about money it’s about method. Not that I think Apple is squeaky clean but I appreciate granular control and transparency. Facebook are nebulous at best, a cesspit at worst
I would counter that argument of your specific situation, with my own specific situation then.
As a 46 year-old married man who has been using the internet for decades, and who without exaggeration, has never and will never click on an advert on a website - I donate, or subscribe to avoid them in general. It matters not if they show something relevant to me, they won't make a dime from me clicking on it.
Far more profitable then, would be for the company to do exactly what I showed you in my example. they are charging a fee to show an advert and they are getting paid for showing that advert no matter who sees it, and no matter if they click on it or not. Which makes more sense in that scenario? The one where they make no money, or they one where they do?
Yea and if so then you should not use Facebook or Google. Since you are not paying for them with money, you are paying for them with advertising. That is consumer choice at its finest. If a company is a cesspool and dishonest, no one should use them. No one is forced to use Facebook.
Yea I don't click on adverts either. But obviously someone is. If no one clicked on them, they wouldn't still use them. Companies pay for adverts to be placed on websites because they must be working. And human nature dictates that people will click more on adverts that interest them than ones that have nothing to do with them.
Yes I will question when I feel things are shady. I expect these new privacy options to apply across the board
Apple’s Ad Network Gets ‘Preferential Access To Users’ Data’ vs Facebook, Google, Others
Most people don’t even know that Apple runs an ad network ...www.forbes.com
The first words of that article are "Apple looks to be giving it's own ad network...". Not Apple "IS", but Apple "LOOKS TO BE". Hardly the damning evidence I was looking for.
IF Apple doesn't play fairly when the time comes, that sucks. But it's still preferable to me as a consumer to the alternative of all apps having the ability to steal MY private data without MY knowledge. This is a good move by Apple, even if it doesn't get us to the ultimate end goal in one fell swoop. I'm not going to refuse to move forward 3 steps because one other thing moves me back half a step.
IF Apple does wrong, we deal with that. We don't just say "well, that sucks" and then return to the Wild West where an app is free to do pretty much anything they want as long as they don't get caught.
I don’t use Facebook and haven’t since about 2012, got DuckDuckGo for search engine. Not logged into tv android for that reason.
I agree but at the same time I don’t appreciate the impact it has on my close friends and family, I agree with you though m / the option to use it or not is there with all its ramifications
Of course this is about profit — profit for Facebook! They know their profits will go down as consumers gain more control.
Of that, I am not arguing. My argument, or rather point was, that it is not essential for advertising to be tracked, in order to be profitable.
As I said, it is no doubt more efficient and more profitable when it’s tracked. But I just cannot accept ‘essential’.
Exactly why I have called into Apple over 13 pages on this thread. It is very shady that they don't subject their own apps to the same standards as they do everyone else's. It's pretty hypocritical to say you are doing this for consumer privacy, when you're not doing the same thing to your own apps. It shows they only care about consumer privacy when it doesn't affect their $2B yearly ad revenue.
If Apple doesn't have its own ad network that is tracks users with, then why would they put a switch in the settings to turn off targeted advertising. Of course they are using targeted advertising.
I would argue that it most definitely is essential to have some form of targeted advertising. You can't just blindly show anyone any ad and expect to make money. You have to show people ads they are interested in. Just like when you are watching sports or gaming on tv, they show ads that are targeted to that demographic. It's just simple advertising, to be effective you have to show people what they are interested in.
I’d be keen to check out your arguments on the matter, if they’re not subject to their own rules then we have a problem and if the evidence is there I’ll stand with you
I don’t use Apple News nor the Stocks app, so the only ads served by Apple that I see are those in the App Store. That’s really just a tiny proportion of all the ads I see all day long.
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Apple’s Ad Network Gets ‘Preferential Access To Users’ Data’ vs Facebook, Google, Others
Most people don’t even know that Apple runs an ad network ...
www.forbes.com
I don’t understand how anyone would be ok with FB tracking their online presence through other apps. It’s one thing to use a service / app like FB and allow them to track your actions within the app, but to follow what you do in other apps is just wrong. And it would be different if this were the only bad thing FB is doing - instead of their serving up fake news and hate saying they have no responsibility for managing their users. I wish more people would recognize just how bad FB has become and stop using it.
And now we are supposed to believe that all the sudden they care about small businesses? wtf Facebook... this is so pathetic.
And btw, no one depends on your terrible app. You can simply use Safari or whatever browser you want access your evil website.
That‘s just another bs excuse from them.
And btw, no one depends on your terrible app. You can simply use Safari or whatever browser you want access your evil website.
That‘s just another bs excuse from them.
Coming from FB, this is rich. And what does FB plan to do with all those ads? Not make a profit?
That said, it's good to see them provide the court with evidence on the App Store monopoly.
Monopolies of any kinds - be it ads or app stores - need to be broken up.
If companies don't like it, they can found their own smartphones and/or countries. I hear real estate on Mars is cheap these days. Simple!
That said, it's good to see them provide the court with evidence on the App Store monopoly.
Monopolies of any kinds - be it ads or app stores - need to be broken up.
If companies don't like it, they can found their own smartphones and/or countries. I hear real estate on Mars is cheap these days. Simple!
Isn’t it possible that however awful Facebook is they’re right that this is really about money for Apple? If fewer apps are free because advertising isn’t as effective anymore and turn to subscriptions that’s more money for Apple who will get a cut. But Apple can present itself as the good guy looking out for your privacy. Just like with the app store cut change which won’t materially impact Apple at all but it is good PR.
If it was that essential, then I would never see an advert for feminine hygiene products when I’m watching TV.
Targeting broad demographics is entirely different to tracking an individual person.
Yes of course. But don't say that here. According to everyone on MacRumors, Apple never does anything for money. Apple doesn't like money. Every decision Apple makes it makes because it wants to help out people and businesses. They do nothing for themselves.