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Facebook Says Apple's Upcoming Anti-Tracking Prompt is 'More About Profit Than Privacy' [Updated]
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Or Facebook could offer Facebook+.......and as a paid user they don’t sell data. Why not an option like that? Every other company seems to be rolling out premium services , why not social media?
Apple just needs to add a framework that allows the app to not be opened if the user chooses to decline tracking.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
That's not remotely what this article is about. How is Facebook a problem when everyone has a choice to use it or not? No one is forced to use Facebook. It does not come preinstalled on any devices. Facebook does not go around collecting birth certificates and automatically signing everyone born for accounts. People willing create accounts and give Facebook access to their data. No problem here.
It is probably about money but we users benefit from it. Can't say the same about Facebook.
Not entirely true. Many, many, many sites have ad tracker code in them, on which a profile can be built. They obviously wouldn't have the data you'd voluntarily share with a FB account, but it's easy enough to link together ad tracking data to figure out a ton about you. Things like:
-Ever look up an address, or the weather, or have a shopping site search locally for you? Then they'll know your approximate address or town.
-Visit your school's website? If they had ad trackers, then they'll know where you went, maybe even what that school specializes in to gauge possible interests.
-Shopping sites - any store site, really - they can see the products you click on to see what you like.
-Read news? Read conservative/liberal/any niche news? They'll learn about the articles that interest you, and how you think/what you like.
-Visit a car manufacturer's website? They'll know you either have one or are in the market for one.
...and on and on... you have to assume that every website has ad trackers, and they'll link the data together to form a profile of you. They might not link it back to a specific NAME, but they'll certainly have a good profile of you anyway.
So true, I sent him or her a link in one of my replies, but he or she is just trolling. Or is really ignorant.
False, markets always innovate for revenue....life will go on with a different revenue structure.
You can't even pay to not see ads. Get a subscription to NYT and guess what, still ads and tracking. They can all go pound sand.
Like I said they collect no data off of me. I have multiple levels of tracking prevention on my network. I have never visited Facebook nor installed their app on any of my devices. I have never seen a Facebook tracking cookie on my network. There are many, many ways to prevent tracking on your home network if you know what you are doing.
Basically, Facebook's freemium model steals people's most personal information and sells it to anyone/everyone. Apple tries to implement consumer protections that governments could have mandated, and Facebook cries foul. Sorry Facebook...figure out another way to make money.
You might want to read the remainder of that page.
Apple does track you but verbally they couch it very differently. Apple also gives you a "blanket" option to limit tracking by Apple advertising. As Apple does very little to inform you what they track and at what level, it is hard to determine just what Apple does with your information.
I would love some transparency regarding this. Just what does the OS and core apps report? Does this make Apple ad tracking redundant?
This is the most naive post I've seen in a long time...I'm guessing you're trying to play devil's advocate and all that BS but at least get better data.
The world is not black and white or Apple vs. Facebook
In French was says "C'est l'hôpital qui se moque de la charité" which translate to "the hospital laughs at charity" or "the hospital doesn't give a damn about charity".
Frankly Facebook position is a joke on this one.
Frankly Facebook position is a joke on this one.
I can *choose* to give Apple my money. I should be able to *choose* to allow Facebook to track me. The key point is CHOICE.
I take no issue with Facebook getting paid whatsoever, they’re a business, they provide a service to people, therefore they should be allowed to make a buck.
My only issue, as far as this debate goes and this applies to everyone, is that Facebook are whinging because of a feature which lets its millions of users know about what’s happening to their information.
Let’s be honest, the vast majority of people don’t read the terms and conditions before they tap the, yes, yes, I want to put pictures of my cute cat on the internet for all my friends to see button.
No-one is preventing Facebook from doing anything they aren’t already, all that’s happening is the important bit of their terms and conditions that no-one reads, is being made obvious to Apple users in the interest of privacy, and giving them a choice over their own information.
It is utter nonsense that personally identifiable information has to be curated in the interest of selling advertising. Funnily enough, advertising agencies have been making a lot of money, for a lot longer than the internet has been around. Entire television services existed with advertising money, without knowing who was watching the adverts.
Will companies all of a sudden stop and say, well no, no I don’t want my advert for softer butt paper to be available to millions of people. Not unless I know what way they wipe their butt with it. Somehow, I doubt it.
For the record, I have had several small to medium sized businesses in my short but colourful life. I managed to make rather a lot of money, without ever asking for a single piece of personal information that wasn’t needed, such as an address for delivery.
Please do explain. I have software on my router, NAS, and computer which limits tracking and shows every single cookie and tracking that is allowed or blocked on my network. EVERY SINGLE ONE. I have never seen a Facebook cookie or any kind of tracking on my network. All the like buttons and all that crap do not display on any of my devices as they are removed on the router level. Facebook has no IN to my network and no way to track me. Sorry if you don't know how to do that on your own network, but I certainly do on mine.
You do have CHOICE. Don't download the Facebook app. Don't sign up for an account on Facebook. Just as you chose to buy an iPhone you also chose to sign up for Facebook. So how easy that was
I agree with the final few paragraphs of this article, Apple masks many of their changes of privacy to sell more devices with little or no concern for the vocal developers actually making the apps for those consumers. The more that Apple makes the developers mad, the more they will want to leave the App Store ... not just Facebook. Epic’s lawsuit, Cydia’s lawsuit, the EU investigation, the EU digital store act are just to name a few. Why can’t Apple meet them halfway? I mean, Macs allow app downloads via the browser, so an iPhone should too ...
Facebooks monitization plan is based on tracking user data to levels 99.9% of users don't understand. User ignorance generates their profit, so of courese they are freaking out. I'm all for Apple's move here. Facebook can stop being lazy and come up with another way to make profit. Sell a premium Facebook tier if they are that important to people! If they are that great, folks will pay. I deleted my Facebook and Insta a while ago, but I'm sure many more would pay for it...
Convenient Facebook doesn't mention that the user can opt out of Apple's anti-tracking feature.
Yes, god forbid people should be given a choice about the control of their own privacy and/or data
That is going to be an ongoing judicial battle; where does personal and public information meet and how does personal privacy mesh with that?
When anyone says I should be able to choose to let Facebook track me. You do have choice. But that is like saying I should choose whether I have to pay Apple for my iPhone. Of course you don't get to choose, if you want an iPhone you have to pay for it. It's the same with Facebook. If you want to use the free service, you have to pay for it with targeted advertising. It's really simple as that. And yes it is a choice.
The only small business affected is called Facebook. Stop using our private data and selling out to ad companies, Facebullsh*t.. Apple at least respect that part for now..
PS. I hope when i disable FB to track and use my private data, Apple really stops them from doing it on their devices. Otherwise what's the point if FB keeps collecting goodies.
PS. I hope when i disable FB to track and use my private data, Apple really stops them from doing it on their devices. Otherwise what's the point if FB keeps collecting goodies.