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FaceID health effects

I wouldn't worry about this particular scary thing. They would be too open to litigation to not have done extensive research into possible vision damage.

All the other crap that is killing us they can sweep under the rug.
 
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IR light is all around us every day. If it was a threat, we'd all have become blind long ago.

Look at it this way. Apple did their due diligence on creating this tech. They're not going to go with it if it was going to open them to billions of dollars in lawsuits from users that would likely put them out of business.

Chalk this one up with the fear that using a cellphone would cause brain cancer.
 
The more people that believe that FaceID is harmful and decide not to buy the iPhone X, the easier it will be for me to get my iPhone X on November 3rd.

So people, start believing that FaceID is harmful for your health!
 
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joeblow7777 said:
Okay, don't all come running at me with pitch forks and torches, and fitting me for a tinfoil hat. Please hear me out for just a moment.

There have been questions in other threads regarding whether FaceID, which works by projecting an array of infrared dots over your face, including your eyes, can in any way have negative long term effects. Most people have been dismissive of such concerns, and perhaps rightfully so.

But I figured there's no harm in having a dedicated thread where we can look see what scientific information is out there. I've come across a few papers so far:

https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article-abstract/35/1/1/170395
This paper is about workers who are exposed to much stronger IR radiation that what FaceID would possibly emit (emitted from heat sources like molten steel).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3116568/
This one looks at the effects of less intense sources.

https://saunaspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Radiation-effects-on-the-eye.pdf
This article seems to also suggest that more intense sources are needed to cause harm.
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So your saying Apple hasn’t looked into this? In fact wasn’t Samsung the first!? I doubt they don’t give a crap if this tech can harm people down the road. We don’t know what a lot of things will do to us 20 years down the road.
 
Renho said:
So your saying Apple hasn’t looked into this? In fact wasn’t Samsung the first!? I doubt they don’t give a crap if this tech can harm people down the road. We don’t know what a lot of things will do to us 20 years down the road.
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Well, the asbestos poster above kind of speaks to my point. Cigarettes would be another obvious example. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to suggest that FaceID could be anywhere near as harmful as those. In fact, I'm not saying that it is harmful at all. I'm saying that you can't depend on the people selling you these things as your only assurance of their safety. Even if they mean well, they have a vested interest in their products being safe, and when you look for an answer with one that you desperately want already in your mind, you're more likely than not to find it.

I'm trying to look at this from a scientific perspective though, not a legal one, or as a matter of corporate due diligence. What does the science say? Just saying "Apple doesn't want to get sued, so it must be fine" doesn't answer that.
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willmtaylor said:
Why not cite Apple directly on the matter?

Safety
iPhone and the TrueDepth camera system have been thoroughly tested and meet international safety standards. The TrueDepth camera system is safe to use under normal usage conditions. The system will not cause any harm to eyes or skin, due to its low output. It's important to know that the infrared emitters could be damaged during repair or disassembly, so your iPhone should always be serviced by Apple or an authorized service provider. The TrueDepth camera system incorporates tamper-detection features. If tampering is detected, the system may be disabled for safety reasons.

When viewed through certain types of cameras, you may notice light output from the TrueDepth camera. This is expected as some cameras may detect infrared light. Some may also notice a faint light output from the TrueDepth camera when viewed in a very dark room. This is expected in extremely dark settings.

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https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208108
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Thank you! This is relevant, at least. The question now is just how low is the output compared to amounts which do cause damage, and how are "normal usage" conditions defined.
 
vannix said:
But that is different from the Face ID, isn'it?
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Yeah, that’s why I didn’t bring iris scanning into this. I don’t believe it works by the same mechanism, so that’s something for the Samsung forums to discuss.
 
The only problem I see, is that after a while the ID won't work because your so disfigured from the IR. Then again, maybe there's a setting.
 
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Yes, after approximately 2.259 week into using the iPhone X with FaceID enabled your eyes, nose, and nuts will shrivel up and fall off.
 
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oplix said:
Iris scanning on a S8 gave me physical discomfort in my eye
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Was the S8 pink? Give you pink eye?

Lets not forget that lots of windows laptops have similar webcams for facial recognition.
 
FYI: At my annual eye appt yesterday, asked the O.D. about IR, given my tiny cataracts, etc.
Conversation below:
me: “What do you think of IR in new iPhone X?”
OD: “I don’t know. They (experts) are still looking at that.”
me: “So I shouldn’t get the iPhone X?”
OD: “Oh, I wouldn’t say that. (big smile) I kinda want one, too.”

My question for testing Facial Recognition is whether it will “read” thru my blue-tinted/coated “computer” lenses on my glasses combined with the outdoor Transition treatment.

I know it is supposed to deal with glasses, but eye protection in the lenses ?
 
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jbizzybeetle said:
I know it is supposed to deal with glasses, but eye protection in the lenses ?
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Check the fact list of your glasses, if it passes infrared, then there should be no problem.
I have auto darkening glasses, and it is still unclear if they work.

I also know why Apple says " it would adjust to your face as you change ", because every day your face melts a bit more from the infrared radiation rays.
the bio chip inside calculates how your face compares to the non melted version. ;)

I think I will develop a tanning app, so you can use those infrared rays to tan,
and shall call it iTan :)
 
Absrnd said:
Check the fact list of your glasses, if it passes infrared, then there should be no problem.
I have auto darkening glasses, and it is still unclear if they work.

I also know why Apple says " it would adjust to your face as you change ", because every day your face melts a bit more from the infrared radiation rays.
the bio chip inside calculates how your face compares to the non melted version. ;)

I think I will develop a tanning app, so you can use those infrared rays to tan,
and shall call it iTan :)
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OMG LOVE IT!
will there be variables from Trump DayGlow to Beyonce GoldGlow?
 
Let’s go back to using public pay phones that are covered in other people’s germs. It’s a much safer alternative.
 
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Vlad.E. said:
Let’s go back to using public pay phones that are covered in other people’s germs. It’s a much safer alternative.
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This is like someone saying, "let's examine the research for safe speed limits on highways" and your response is to sarcastically point out that we might as well give up on cars and just walk because it's the safest form of travel.
 
joeblow7777 said:
This is like someone saying, "let's examine the research for safe speed limits on highways" and your response is to sarcastically point out that we might as well give up on cars and just walk because it's the safest form of travel.
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Vegetables contain nicotine, I think that’s a better and more important topic to discuss. Yes I am being serious, it’s an important health risk issue and our kids are at risk.
 
The more people that believe that FaceID is harmful and decide not to pre-order, the easier it will be for me to get an iPhone X come November 3rd.

With that being said, FaceID is harmful. Don't pre-order the iPhone X.
 
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joeblow7777 said:
Okay, don't all come running at me with pitch forks and torches, and fitting me for a tinfoil hat. Please hear me out for just a moment.

There have been questions in other threads regarding whether FaceID, which works by projecting an array of infrared dots over your face, including your eyes, can in any way have negative long term effects. Most people have been dismissive of such concerns, and perhaps rightfully so.

But I figured there's no harm in having a dedicated thread where we can look see what scientific information is out there. I've come across a few papers so far:

https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article-abstract/35/1/1/170395
This paper is about workers who are exposed to much stronger IR radiation that what FaceID would possibly emit (emitted from heat sources like molten steel).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3116568/
This one looks at the effects of less intense sources.

https://saunaspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Radiation-effects-on-the-eye.pdf
This article seems to also suggest that more intense sources are needed to cause harm.
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It’s sad but you can’t show your concern in forums like this without having some idiots making posts trying to be funny instead of either contributing for the discussion or stay quiet.
I’m also very health conscious, but I don’t think the radiation will be relevant. Once released, I’m sure eventually someone will test it though..
 
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