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FaceID health effects
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hank moody
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Well, I turned it off, since after playing a lot with animojis, when I closed my eyes, I saw some blinking flashes/vibrating light for a while. It is a great phone even without this feature... I don't mind using a passcode.
I was playing with animojis too for a couple of minutes here and there and noticed my eyes felt a little bit weird and watered a bit. I noticed my vision later had a little bit of “jitters” but I don’t know for sure yet that I can attribute that to using the IPhone X.
I don’t own the X, but get to play around on the one my husband just got.
Thanks for reporting in. We can all make note of any unusual effects as more and more people use the phone awhile. Not to be alarmist, but to take questions to Apple, if need be.
It may all be perfectly harmless for most people, but perhaps triggering for people with certain migraine or visual conditions. It would be good to know if that were the case. I’d write to Apple to let them know what you experienced so they can start keeping records. They’re pretty careful with their customers’ health from what I’ve seen in the care they take to select materials that are least likely to cause allergic reactions. I think they’d want to know if a customer felt uncomfortable using a prominent feature of their phone out of health or comfort concerns.
By the way, were you wearing glasses at the time you were using the emoji feature? I’d often wondered if glasses somehow intensified or altered the IR hitting my eye from the Samsung iris scanner.
I always used passcodes up to getting my IPhone 7 Plus and HTC 10 because fps generally worked poorly for me. I’m sorry now that I finally see Apple has got it down so well, that this is likely the last year Apple will offer models with an fps.
This can't be good for apple. Migraines should be the least of their worries. A seizure causing harm to people would be terrible for them. Are there any warnings included giving you a time limit with the animojis?
I’ve got severe eye pain and headache since using the X by 3 Nov, now it is a little better but something is wrong for sure
Get some sleep....staying awake waiting for the UPS man can't be good for you.
Eheh I will, and I actually did (the issue is stille there though), but never experienced anything like this from a smartphone.
If there are I haven’t read them. It’s my husband’s phone, not mine, so I didn’t really bother to read through any of the literature or check the videos. I’m on my 7 Plus.
All I’ve noticed is my eyes felt a tiny bit strange when the IPhone X scanner is trying to scan my face for the Animoji tracking and they watered a little. Later, when I was looking at some things on my dining room table, there was a tiny shimmer to everything like what you get looking at heat coming off the road on a hot day. Not quite that bad, more subtle. I’ve had no pain yet. There is nothing for me to conclude yet that anything I’ve felt or observed is definitely connected to the use of the iPhone X. I’ve been working hard at various projects and events and have been short on sleep. It could be fatigue.
This surely cannot be an isolated occurrence. Could probably be caused by repeated Flood Illuminator IR flashes + the Dot Projector's IR laser "dots". IR light without visible light inhibits pupillary reflex. There's that also.
I have a 7 plus and leaning towards an x but has anyone else have issues with the Faceid? Do your eyes feel anything when you unlock the phone?
Thanks.
Thanks.
Doubt anyone feels anything but if you go look at another thread on here with how many of the IR dots are hitting your eyes, it cant be good.
hank moody
macrumors 6502a
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https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/photo-face-id-infrared-dot-matrix.2084242/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/photo-face-id-infrared-dot-matrix.2084242/
I'm wondering how many health professionals Apple talked to before releasing the phone. Anyone have any idea?
virginblue4
macrumors 68020
Apple state on their website that Face ID will not cause harm to skin or eyes under normal usage conditions due to its low output. That’s a pretty bold statement to make if they weren’t 100% sure / hadn’t thoroughly tested the system.
Therefore, I don’t think there are any health concerns to worry about with Face ID.
Therefore, I don’t think there are any health concerns to worry about with Face ID.
The question is which Health professionals helped them in making this claim. The picture alone of all the IR dots going straight into your eye should be cause for concern, not everyone is built the same.
virginblue4
macrumors 68020
Well the fact that in Apples own marketing video they showed a visual of the dots hitting the persons face clearly shows they aren’t trying to hide anything or are worried about it.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208108
Safety
iPhone and the TrueDepth camera system have been thoroughly tested and meet international safety standards. The TrueDepth camera system is safe to use under normal usage conditions. The system will not cause any harm to eyes or skin, due to its low output. It's important to know that the infrared emitters could be damaged during repair or disassembly, so your iPhone should always be serviced by Apple or an authorized service provider. The TrueDepth camera system incorporates tamper-detection features. If tampering is detected, the system may be disabled for safety reasons.
When viewed through certain types of cameras, you may notice light output from the TrueDepth camera. This is expected as some cameras may detect infrared light. Some may also notice a faint light output from the TrueDepth camera when viewed in a very dark room. This is expected in extremely dark settings.
Safety
iPhone and the TrueDepth camera system have been thoroughly tested and meet international safety standards. The TrueDepth camera system is safe to use under normal usage conditions. The system will not cause any harm to eyes or skin, due to its low output. It's important to know that the infrared emitters could be damaged during repair or disassembly, so your iPhone should always be serviced by Apple or an authorized service provider. The TrueDepth camera system incorporates tamper-detection features. If tampering is detected, the system may be disabled for safety reasons.
When viewed through certain types of cameras, you may notice light output from the TrueDepth camera. This is expected as some cameras may detect infrared light. Some may also notice a faint light output from the TrueDepth camera when viewed in a very dark room. This is expected in extremely dark settings.
This is where they will run into a problem, what is normal usage? How many hours? You already have some claiming vision problems after playing around with animojis for a while. It'll be interesting once the first lawsuit comes around, it's only a matter of time.
Not to mention long term effects.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3116568/
The main part of that for me 'normal usuage conditions'. What does Apple consider normal? Looking at your phone an hour a day?
So whatever their 'normal' is, if you go above that then there's a chance of health risks. Considering most people on this forum can't stop drooling over their phones for 10-16hrs a day atm, id imagine that's not normal usuage.