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It’s sad but you can’t show your concern in forums like this without having some idiots making posts trying to be funny instead of either contributing for the discussion or stay quiet.
I’m also very health conscious, but I don’t think the radiation will be relevant. Once released, I’m sure eventually someone will test it though..

There is nothing to contribute since we have no data on hand.
But you still want us to have a serious discussion about something we know nothing about?

How about this topic.
Given enough time, will bananas be able to evolve and drive cars? You think that’s stupid? Why?
 
There is nothing to contribute since we have no data on hand.
But you still want us to have a serious discussion about something we know nothing about?

How about this topic.
Given enough time, will bananas be able to evolve and drive cars? You think that’s stupid? Why?

There's no selective pressure on banana trees that would promote the adaptations that would allow for that, and it would be a radical departure from their current evolutionary path. Therefore, it's highly improbably based on our current understanding of genetics and natural selection.

As for this discussion, I found 3 articles which discuss the effects of IR wavelengths on optical tissue with very little searching. I posted them as a starting point. Three pages of discussion later no one has even mentioned them, let alone contributed any new information, but many have been quick to say there's nothing to discuss.
 
There's no selective pressure on banana trees that would promote the adaptations that would allow for that, and it would be a radical departure from their current evolutionary path. Therefore, it's highly improbably based on our current understanding of genetics and natural selection.

As for this discussion, I found 3 articles which discuss the effects of IR wavelengths on optical tissue with very little searching. I posted them as a starting point. Three pages of discussion later no one has even mentioned them, let alone contributed any new information, but many have been quick to say there's nothing to discuss.

But is it same exact IR light wave and intensity used in the iPhone? Many security cameras have IR and I haven’t heard anyone getting sick from it.
 
But is it same exact IR light wave and intensity used in the iPhone? Many security cameras have IR and I haven’t heard anyone getting sick from it.

No, but the articles at least discuss the mechanism by which damage can be done, and as I've said, they're a starting point.

Of course, security cameras aren't held just a foot or two away from one's face as many as 80 times a day, so that's not really comparable either.
 
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No, but the articles at least discuss the mechanism by which damage can be done, and as I've said, they're a starting point.

Of course, security cameras aren't held just a foot or two away from one's face as many as 80 times a day, so that's not really comparable either.

The front gate to the White House and the main entrance to CIA has IR cameras. The guards stand right under them for years. Some one will have to talk to them or look in to their medical records.

So in some rare cases, people are constantly exposed to IR light. But are they getting sick from it?
 
The front gate to the White House and the main entrance to CIA has IR cameras. The guards stand right under them for years. Some one will have to talk to them or look in to their medical records.

So in some rare cases, people are constantly exposed to IR light. But are they getting sick from it?

Well, that's actually what the articles I posted are about. You make a good point about the guards. Their exposure is long term and consistent, although probably still not as localized. It is a small sample size though, which would make it appear significant if even one of them developed symptoms.
 
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Well, that's actually what the articles I posted are about. You make a good point about the guards. Their exposure is long term and consistent, although probably still not as localized. It is a small sample size though, which would make it appear significant if even one of them developed symptoms.

I wouldn’t worry about iPhones IR light since it’s low energy component that has to preserve battery life and has no constant power source like IR security cameras.
 
No, but the articles at least discuss the mechanism by which damage can be done, and as I've said, they're a starting point.

Of course, security cameras aren't held just a foot or two away from one's face as many as 80 times a day, so that's not really comparable either.
You have been very reasonable and clear, so I don't understand how so many people seem to have failed to understand the kind of discussion you are trying to have.

I would imagine you'd hoped to get some input from fellow members who work in the health field or people who might have come across some studies in the course of their careers or hobbies that most of us might have missed. It seems very logical and reasonable to me to question new technology that contacts organs as delicate as the eye. After all, it isn't as if consumer products never kill or injure anyone, nor as if there are never any safety recalls. Consumer product designs fail quite often and sometimes the results are catastrophic as any examination of product recalls will show.

Something about the IR scanner in my Samsung caused progressively worsening pain to my eyes to the point I can no longer use it. It could have had something to do with how the light went through my glasses. I don't know. I may never know. How long exactly have we been aiming IR beams into people's faces and eyes? Yes we know we have IR from the sun and candles and our bodies. But this particular application hasn't been used on great masses of consumers before. There may be unfavorable variables yet to be discovered the hard way.

There are some people reporting odd pain when using Apple watches. We don't know why they have that pain. It may be years before there is sufficent scientific investigation and resulting data to explain that issue. To think we know everything about the technology that passes approval is naive.

Have you ever heard about the horrific known effects of a common cytotoxic agent commonly added as a preservative to even "natural" household cleaners, shampoos, body washes? I'm surprised it's in use given what is known about it. But that is the US government for you. Methylisothiazolinone for years was of "unknown" threat but now we know too late that it's caused severe sensitivity and allergies in countless people. It's in the environment now and no avoiding it. A regulatory body in Europe has issued advisories on it and voluntary bans. I don't see anything limiting or warning about it in the US.

According to a news item I saw in my CNN news earlier in the year, we have rising rates of colorectal cancers appearing in unprecedented numbers among people as young as 18. It's enough that there's talk of lowering the recommended age for colorectal cancer screening. And we don't know why this is happening. What did we introduce into our lives that's presenting this threat to millennials?

Sorry for the tangents, but I hope they helped to illustrate that it's not stupid or alarmist to ask questions about product safety.
 
Lets not forget the oft dismissed dangers of a common substance. Is an all to often cause of death and destruction. Too much can cause suffocation. Terribly addictive where persons used to it can cause certain death within days of being deprived of it. If electrical components are exposed it can cause their failure or even electrocution of persons also in contact. Prolonged contact with the solid form can cause tissue damage. It a major factor in corrosion in many metals. This substance di-hydrogen-monoxide so crucial to industry that the American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its importance to the economic health of this nation.
 
Lets not forget the oft dismissed dangers of a common substance. Is an all to often cause of death and destruction. Too much can cause suffocation. Terribly addictive where persons used to it can cause certain death within days of being deprived of it. If electrical components are exposed it can cause their failure or even electrocution of persons also in contact. Prolonged contact with the solid form can cause tissue damage. It a major factor in corrosion in many metals. This substance di-hydrogen-monoxide so crucial to industry that the American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its importance to the economic health of this nation.

He's talking about water, folks, in case anyone is panicking.
 
As for this discussion, I found 3 articles which discuss the effects of IR wavelengths on optical tissue with very little searching. I posted them as a starting point. Three pages of discussion later no one has even mentioned them, let alone contributed any new information, but many have been quick to say there's nothing to discuss.
1. Do you even know what IR is? Seriously. A simple google search would reveal that your concerns over IR is absolutely ridiculous. IR is HEAT. That's all it is.

2. Have you even read the the articles that you posted up? One study is IR exposure from MOLTEN STEEL. Another study is about rabbits having their eyes placed 20cm from a freakin HEAT LAMP. The third is an entry from a bloody textbook that, after reading, should fully alleviate any fears/concerns you have in the first place.

There is nothing to discuss because clearly, you have no idea WTF you are talking about. You want to discuss a topic that you have ABSOLUTELY no knowledge of whatsoever, and at the same time, you don't even CARE to even do ANY SORT OF RESEARCH on your own educate yourself on the topic at before hand.
 
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1. Do you even know what IR is? Seriously. A simple google search would reveal that your concerns over IR is absolutely ridiculous. IR is HEAT. That's all it is.

2. Have you even read the the articles that you posted up? One study is IR exposure from MOLTEN STEEL. Another study is about rabbits having their eyes placed 20cm from a freakin HEAT LAMP. The third is an entry from a bloody textbook that, after reading, should fully alleviate any fears/concerns you have in the first place.

There is nothing to discuss because clearly, you have no idea WTF you are talking about. You want to discuss a topic that you have ABSOLUTELY no knowledge of whatsoever, and at the same time, you don't even CARE to even do ANY SORT OF RESEARCH on your own educate yourself on the topic at before hand.

1. I do know what IR is, and where it lies on the electromagnetic spectrum in terms of wavelength, energy, and frequency. IR is not heat, by the way. It's more accurate to say that it is a wavelength of electromagnetic radiation that is emitted by heat sources. It's a subtle difference.

2. I have read the articles, and in my posts, I did very clearly state that they are based on much higher intensity exposure than what would come from FaceID. The purpose of the articles was more to explain the mechanism by which IR wavelength can effect ocular tissue.

The hostility of your response is unwarranted.
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Lets not forget the oft dismissed dangers of a common substance. Is an all to often cause of death and destruction. Too much can cause suffocation. Terribly addictive where persons used to it can cause certain death within days of being deprived of it. If electrical components are exposed it can cause their failure or even electrocution of persons also in contact. Prolonged contact with the solid form can cause tissue damage. It a major factor in corrosion in many metals. This substance di-hydrogen-monoxide so crucial to industry that the American government has refused to ban the production, distribution, or use of this damaging chemical due to its importance to the economic health of this nation.

I love playing this little joke!
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
 
So much hate in here

Yeah, not really sure where the hostility comes from. I never once even said that FaceID is harmful. I just wanted to discuss whether or not it could be. Don't think that is can be? Fine. No need to get upset over it.

I know that we can't really know at this point, but most of the discussion on this forum is speculative anyway. I guess people would just rather have the 100th thread about the "notch" or how limited the supply will be.
 
I know its not. The joke is believing somebody on the forums can answer that question accurately. We dont know is the best answer


Do you believe the earth is flat by any chance?,
because until someone with a bit of vision and the will to think outside of the crowd stood up and asked if it was, everyone thought thinking anything but was a joke.

Dismissing and ridiculing open thought is the worst kind of censorship.
 
I can’t think of another thread that has generated so much hate and ignorance from simply wanting a discussion.

Although I can’t contribute anything to this thread and I think it is extremely unlikely that the IR will cause any issues, I expected some informative posts that would have been interesting to read (there is a thread in the Apple Watch forum about the effects of cellular, which is very interesting).

You’ve been very clear that you simply wanted a discussion. You haven’t claimed IR will cause will cause any issues. It’s quite sad that all people can do is be rude and condescending.
 
Back on topic.

As opposed to background radiation, or general radiation effects as noted in the OP, It is to be noted that the IR dots are actually beamed in a tight focused array onto the face. Sure, the odd peek isn't going to be an issue, but 10,20,30 years of a constant IR radiation (assuming FACE-ID becomes the norm) focused into the eyes is certainly a valid concern?
 
OP - the truth is nobody knows right now. And as valid as your point is, and as much as it absolutely warrants more investigation, people just don't want to hear it. As with anything, let others be the ginny pigs.
 
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