FaceID while driving & accidents

[apolloa]

To all those people who say you shouldn't use your phone while driving, I agree 99%, but:

What about navigation?

For those who say "use Siri"...

What if you use Google Maps?

Not every use-case is the same.

In the UK it is totally banned for the driver to touch a phone for ANY reason BAR a 999 (like 911) call. And that includes when your stopped in traffic and navigation. So here it makes no difference as it should be.
Your driving a car, with a mass of say 1.3 tons at 50 to 60 mph about a couple of feet or less apart from another car doing the exact same thing coming from the opposite direction, it only takes one tiny lapse in concentration and BAM! A closing head on impact of 100mph plus.

 

[mmomega]

Then thing that I believe upsets people isn't the act of a person using their phone really, it is that when you are driving you aren't alone, you are in a group of others. And one person effects the group. Just a small example, Someone staring at the phone too long at a traffic light, if they wait 3-5 extra seconds to start moving then by 5 cars back that is more like 10-12 extra seconds.

It is getting "similar" to being under the influence of something while driving, some people believe they are amazing at multi-tasking and can drive just as well with or without a phone.
Some people take driving very serious, as if it is a job and to do the best job possible if you are going to do it.

The bottom line is people that are ok with it are ok with it, those that aren't won't be and nothing is going to change a persons mind until they have an experience that changes it.
This can be said across many aspects of life though. You care about something until you don't and you don't care about something until you do.

 

[9594864]

Android has a feature called Smart Lock where you can agree to have your phone stay unlocked if connected to whatever bluetooth, Wi-Fi access points, GPS locations, etc. that you choose.

That’s not acceptable security

 

[mosincredible]

That’s not acceptable security

It's pinpointed. You can say stay unlocked only when connected to your car's bluetooth and nothing else. Every other place you are, your phone will stay locked

 

[9594864]

It's pinpointed. You can say stay unlocked only when connected to your car's bluetooth and nothing else. Every other place you are, your phone will stay locked. How is this not acceptable?

Vehicle Bluetooth can stay connected to your phone when it is out of the car, many feet away. Secondly, it nullifies all security while in the car, which many people wouldn’t like when they’re driving around friends or family. Thirdly, many cars don’t have Bluetooth so the solution needs to come from the iPhone itself.

 

[mosincredible]

Vehicle Bluetooth can stay connected to your phone when it is out of the car, many feet away. Secondly, it nullifies all security while in the car, which many people wouldn’t like when they’re driving around friends or family. Thirdly, many cars don’t have Bluetooth so the solution needs to come from the iPhone itself.

The firstly is a reasonable concern because my car holds the phone for a bit until I quite a distance away.

Secondly, you introduced a problem to the situation that any so-called solution will still carry a security issue in your eyes if the people in your car can't be trusted. Which is why Face ID isn't as good as Touch ID already. At least Touch ID is a simple reach and touch even with off-axis use which will allow you to just leave it locked. You don't even have to look at the phone if you have muscle memory of where you need to reach.

The thirdly is just an unfortunate event. The phone could use moving location (battery hog) to represent driving but then it's unlocked in your car again around those terrible passengers. It may also lock again based on you being at a light for a certain period of time. This solution may pose an issue for doing something like running or biking.

 

[9594864]

The firstly is a reasonable concern because my car holds the phone for a bit until I quite a distance away.

Secondly, you introduced a problem to the situation that any so-called solution will still carry a security issue in your eyes if the people in your car can't be trusted. Which is why Face ID isn't as good as Touch ID already. At least Touch ID is a simple reach and touch even with off-axis use which will allow you to just leave it locked. You don't even have to look at the phone if you have muscle memory of where you need to reach.

The thirdly is just an unfortunate event. The phone could use moving location (battery hog) to represent driving but then it's unlocked in your car again around those terrible passengers. It may also lock again based on you being at a light for a certain period of time. This solution may pose an issue for doing something like running or biking.

yeah it’s all just not really of much concern. People create situations that are so rare it’s of no concern. This driving situation is of concern, and I think my solution is the best for it.

Anyway, I’m just waiting for brainwave analytics security in iPhone 50. 1 in 50 trillion chance of false positive, and unlocks via your thinking.

 

[GGJstudios]

I start this thread because what if some emergency comes up like Wives call and you are in do or die situation. Either pickup the phone get distracted and die or don't pickup the phone, reach home safely and killed by wife.

Trying to use your phone while driving is a trivial risk, compared to having more than one wife! That can get you killed much quicker! I'm just sayin'.

 

[BarracksSi]

I start this thread because what if some emergency comes up like Wives call and you are in do or die situation. Either pickup the phone get distracted and die or don't pickup the phone, reach home safely and killed by wife.

I assume you’re joking, because everyone I know doesn’t get upset when I tell them I couldn’t take their call because I was driving.

But if your wife really does get upset, then your wife sucks, and you need to divorce her.

 

[Ayemerica]

You should never be looking at your phone while you're driving /thread.

 

[zorinlynx]

The bottom line is people that are ok with it are ok with it, those that aren't won't be and nothing is going to change a persons mind until they have an experience that changes it.
This can be said across many aspects of life though. You care about something until you don't and you don't care about something until you do.

What gets me are the people who don't want me to touch the phone even when I'm stopped at a red light.

See, I completely agree that using the phone while the car is in motion is a terrible idea. I have a strict personal policy that I NEVER touch the phone while my car is moving. My phone sits in a cradle so I have easy access to it without picking it up, but I'll STILL never touch it during movement. Ever.

When I'm stopped at a light, though, no problem. No, I won't "creep forward". My foot is firmly on the brake. I'm not endangering anyone, yet people on this forum think I'm committing some kind of cardinal sin.

Believe me, people who text while moving annoy me too. But I won't bother anyone for using their phone at a red light.

 

[BarracksSi]

Sitting like an idiot at a green light gets a honk from me, and maybe worse if this kind of ******** keeps up.

PUT YOUR ****ING PHONE DOWN.

 

[First Post G]

I assume you’re joking, because everyone I know doesn’t get upset when I tell them I couldn’t take their call because I was driving.

But if your wife really does get upset, then your wife sucks, and you need to divorce her.

And (assuming your car is less than 10 years old) you don't need to touch your phone to answer a call in a car.

 

[protoxx]

Rules for driving:
1) Shut up
2) Put down the G. D. phone
3) Pay attention and drive

 

[Starfyre]

Get ready for a bunch of "you shouldn't be using your phone when you're driving anyway."

I made a thread a while back about this. That response and similar responses were very common.

 

[Bee1776]

iOS 11 has the great Do Not Disturb while driving feature which turns off calls and texts when it senses car moving. Automatically sends text to other person saying you are driving and will get back to them when you arrive at destination. Great new safety feature.

 

[MEJHarrison]

What gets me are the people who don't want me to touch the phone even when I'm stopped at a red light.

“The people” have a name. They’re called “law enforcement”.

 

[Ralfi]

No it does not. If the light is red and I am stopped, I am not posing a danger to others if I quickly use my phone.

Your kind of thinking makes us less safe because if you classify any phone use in the driver's seat as "while driving", people will be more willing to use the phone while the car is moving since it's "the same thing." We should be encouraging people to not use their phone while driving, but if they must, to do so ONLY when stopped.

If you were in my country, you'd be thought of as an outlaw.

I also fail to see how classifying any driving in the drivers seat as "while driving" will make people use the phone whilst moving. "Any driving" covers moving & stopped (at intersections, stop signs etc.) in Australia.

The only time you can use the phone whilst in the drivers seat is if you pull over to the side of the road, out of the way of moving traffic.

 

[mackinmike]

You know you have a choice of not buying it if it doesn't suit your requirements, right? Just saying.

 

[AZhappyjack]

While driving car Face ID or password entry seems less safe than Touch ID. Face ID will distracts you while driving when you want to unlock the phone. Apple could've have integrated Touch ID along with Face ID & password entry. Or at least apple should allow to turn off the swipe up step after face ID is recognized by iphone.

Put the phone down and focus on driving your car. Please tell me that you aren't serious...

 

[dauthiatull]

do you die everytime you take your eyes off the road to check the speed, adjust the radio, mirrors, heater, look at passenger?

looking at the phone for a second to unlock is not the problem. USING it while driving is when people get killed

 

[BarracksSi]

looking at the phone for a second to unlock is not the problem. USING it while driving is when people get killed

Why unlock it if you’re not going to use it?

PDTFP. (“Put Down The ******* Phone”)

 

[AZhappyjack]

do you die everytime you take your eyes off the road to check the speed, adjust the radio, mirrors, heater, look at passenger?

looking at the phone for a second to unlock is not the problem. USING it while driving is when people get killed

No... arrogant drivers who think they know better and think that the laws don't apply to them are what gets (innocent) people killed. It's the ultimate selfish act...

 

[RSmith2023]

While driving car Face ID or password entry seems less safe than Touch ID. Face ID will distracts you while driving when you want to unlock the phone. Apple could've have integrated Touch ID along with Face ID & password entry. Or at least apple should allow to turn off the swipe up step after face ID is recognized by iphone.

Here’s a thought... don’t mess with the phone while driving?? That would definitely solve the problem.

At some point we need to stop looking to the device manufacturers to force good decisions on users.

 

[BarracksSi]

And (assuming your car is less than 10 years old) you don't need to touch your phone to answer a call in a car.

In my old car, into which I never bothered installing a Bluetooth-enabled stereo, I did a lot by voice control -- change playlists, start navigation, initiate calls, etc.

But when calls came in, I normally let them go to voicemail. That's what voicemail is for, right? I treat it like an audible Post-It. Same with texts -- I never expect someone to respond to my text message right away, either.

We have all these features that allow the recipient to get back to the caller (or texter) later, but we stupidly don't take advantage of them.

If I could, I'd install a thousand-watt cell phone jammer in my car. That might make things worse, though, because then there'd be people tapping at their non-responsive phones and veering all over the road.