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So it's the software corporations playing cat and mouse with the federal government, wonderful. You'd think instead of the government trying to crack the code of American companies, they'd get together and work out a rational solution. After all our government should on the same team with American corporations, working together, plugging bugs, and plugging zero day exploits.
Psh. I love your idealism. However, cooperation is rarely good for profit because you have to share.

And the Government is in it for profit.

Thank you, Apple!
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I'd love to see any citation for this. Something like this cannot be kept secret. And once it comes out, Apple would be hit by the mother of all lawsuits.
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Wrong question. Ask me if I would feel the same way if your spouse, your kid, or your kid's dad was abducted. Because it is the same problem, but I would not give an answer driven by emotion, but a rational answer. And rational answers count.
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Type "us gun deaths" into google. On the top of the results that I get it says "According to the CDC, there were 33,636 deaths due to firearms in 2013". Click on a few links and you find over 10,000 murders, over 20,000 suicides, and a few hundred "others" (accident, legitimately shot by police).
PREACH! Decisions motived by emotional irrationality are rarely just.
 
Really? So the next time hundreds of people get blown the **** up, and you find out this could've been prevented will you be saying the same thing?

I don't understand this mind set. I never will. The FBI doesn't give a **** about you and me. Are you planning to kill someone? They're looking for the people who will kill us and our families.

This is a problem that WILL eventually cause death and destruction, but thats fine right?


6,900 people. Sorry, that doesn't even start to compute.
 
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If only it was that easy :rolleyes: Yes you can serve people with a warrant compelling them to enter their password, but under duress one could easily claim to have forgotten it. And I highly doubt a judge would convict solely based off a forgotten password, so no "jail time until they give up"
It would seem like there should be some ruling about this... oh yeah... The ****ing Fifth Amendment!
 
The government was able to track and arrest criminals long before there were smart phones. There are only 2 possible reason for the FBI wanting weak encryption; 1) they are just lazy, or 2) they just want to spy on everyone.

I disagree with both reasons.
I agree with you!
 
For reference, Apple sold 6,900 iPhones every 17.1 minutes in 2016. An average of 6.72 iPhones per second for the entire year.

I get the FBI's point, I'd be frustrated to be able to get into any other phone except the iPhone. However, 6,900 phones is nothing. We should talk about the rest of the 212 million iPhones Apple sold last year that are secure.
 
Really? So the next time hundreds of people get blown the **** up, and you find out this could've been prevented will you be saying the same thing?

I don't understand this mind set. I never will. The FBI doesn't give a **** about you and me. Are you planning to kill someone? They're looking for the people who will kill us and our families.

This is a problem that WILL eventually cause death and destruction, but thats fine right?

Let's just say for argument's sake that you are right (which I don't personally believe you are), but let's just say that you are. There are a couple of problems with this: First, Apple does NOT have the decryption keys, that is not the way the system is built. Even if they wanted to or were forced to by the FBI, there is nothing for them to "give up." The entire encryption/decryption system lives inside each individual phone.

Secondly, even if they DID build their system where they (Apple) DID have the decryption keys, every expert I ever read or listened to says that there's a 99% chance that this exploit WILL always end up in the wild, meaning that any hacker out there will be able to get their hands on it and then what? How "Safe" will we be then? What if the terrorists get their hands on it? What then? I'm sure you'd be one of the first to go out there screaming and yelling at Apple with a "How could they let this happen?" rant.

People really need to stop with this "ticking time-bomb" scenario and how this is the only way to stop the next bomb. We have highly capable intelligence and law enforcement officials in this country and use a wide array of tactics to uncover such scenarios (and with a high success rate nonetheless). If this is the ONLY way that authorities can stop the next "ticking time-bomb," then we have a lot more to worry about then our stupid phones. You need to stop watching the TV series 24 and start reading the Bill of Rights.

P.S. And just because we are doing or did nothing wrong or illegal, doesn't give you OR the government the right to know everything about me or anyone else's privacy. You might also want to pick up a history book or two on that subject.
 
I honestly don't see "two sides" on this. This is typical American alphabet agencies' incompetence talking. How is this any different from TSA crying for more "security checks" in airports when in reality it stops nothing? The only difference I see is that there are enough travelers who fly under TSA's scrutiny knows this doesn't work, but there aren't enough users who see why FBI's won't work.
 
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I understand people want to keep secret how much porn they have on their phone, but this is a big issue.

You reducing this to "porn on your phone" really cheapens what Apple is doing here.

I will assume you leave your doors unlocked and your blinds open all day and night. Whether you are having a family dinner, taking a shower, discussing private business...or watching porn. This is all the same right?

If you give access to your private data, that horse is out of the barn. No way you are ever getting it back. Ever! You will only receive less and less privacy as time goes on, and you want to willingly give it away because "people want to keep porn private.

Get your brain on the right path and think about this.
 
If the government has their ducks in a row and have done everything above board, Apple will fork over the relevant data they have access to. They tell you that in their transparency reports. That's not to say Apple has access to all of your data or that they fork over all of your data. That is to say if the warrant requested data can be accessed by Apple, Apple will fork it over.
The reason the original poster trusts Apple more is because they deliberately ensure they can't access a lot of data that other companies do keep access to, not because they think Apple is more likely to somehow refuse requests they're legally obligated to comply with. What Apple can refuse to do is put in backdoors* or hold device keys. And they're doing the best job of that right now. An Android device is pretty certainly less secure.

* BTW, in the famous San Bernardino shooting case, they weren't asking for a backdoor but an exploit tool. Tim Cook was being a little **** and calling it backdoor. Then they called his bluff by cracking it anyway.
 
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everyone is anti-FBI until a terrorist attack or something happens to them or a love one... Watch how fast they jump to the other side claiming Apple should allow access.
 
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The government was able to track and arrest criminals long before there were smart phones. There are only 2 possible reason for the FBI wanting weak encryption; 1) they are just lazy, or 2) they just want to spy on everyone.

I disagree with both reasons.
Much of what they used to be able to use has moved from physical documents to our smartphones and computers. If you try to run a police investigation like it is the 1960’s you will not get very far with most crimes today.
 
everyone is anti-FBI until a terrorist attack or something happens to them or a love one... Watch how fast they jump to the other side claiming Apple should allow access.
Well, I'm looking at the stats, and I decided it's a chance I'm willing to take.
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Really? So the next time hundreds of people get blown the **** up, and you find out this could've been prevented will you be saying the same thing?

I don't understand this mind set. I never will. The FBI doesn't give a **** about you and me. Are you planning to kill someone? They're looking for the people who will kill us and our families.

This is a problem that WILL eventually cause death and destruction, but thats fine right?
Could you describe a terrorism incident where this would have prevented it? I honestly can't think of one. Anyone can encrypt things by themselves if it's important. The only case where this seems useful is with smaller criminal activity. That I can see an argument for.
 
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Make it law. That's the only way, and the use of advanced tech .

Which law ?
Now this may come as a surprise, but US law is only valid in the USA.
96% of the worlds population does not live in the USA.
If you are a US citizen outside of the USA, US laws do not apply to you, you are subject to local laws.

So by "law" you are happy with China, North Korea, India (insert the other 190 countries) etc to have equal access.
 
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Technology is driving change. As change happens so our laws need updating to reflect this change. Not changing our core values, or the intent of the current law, but change that is necessary to continue the protections of the existing laws.
 
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