Psh. I love your idealism. However, cooperation is rarely good for profit because you have to share.So it's the software corporations playing cat and mouse with the federal government, wonderful. You'd think instead of the government trying to crack the code of American companies, they'd get together and work out a rational solution. After all our government should on the same team with American corporations, working together, plugging bugs, and plugging zero day exploits.
PREACH! Decisions motived by emotional irrationality are rarely just.I'd love to see any citation for this. Something like this cannot be kept secret. And once it comes out, Apple would be hit by the mother of all lawsuits.
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Wrong question. Ask me if I would feel the same way if your spouse, your kid, or your kid's dad was abducted. Because it is the same problem, but I would not give an answer driven by emotion, but a rational answer. And rational answers count.
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Type "us gun deaths" into google. On the top of the results that I get it says "According to the CDC, there were 33,636 deaths due to firearms in 2013". Click on a few links and you find over 10,000 murders, over 20,000 suicides, and a few hundred "others" (accident, legitimately shot by police).
Investigators did just fine before 2007. They will continue to do so now.I understand people want to keep secret how much porn they have on their phone, but this is a big issue.
Really? So the next time hundreds of people get blown the **** up, and you find out this could've been prevented will you be saying the same thing?
I don't understand this mind set. I never will. The FBI doesn't give a **** about you and me. Are you planning to kill someone? They're looking for the people who will kill us and our families.
This is a problem that WILL eventually cause death and destruction, but thats fine right?
It would seem like there should be some ruling about this... oh yeah... The ****ing Fifth Amendment!If only it was that easyYes you can serve people with a warrant compelling them to enter their password, but under duress one could easily claim to have forgotten it. And I highly doubt a judge would convict solely based off a forgotten password, so no "jail time until they give up"
And if they have a court order/warrant?
I agree with you!The government was able to track and arrest criminals long before there were smart phones. There are only 2 possible reason for the FBI wanting weak encryption; 1) they are just lazy, or 2) they just want to spy on everyone.
I disagree with both reasons.
Exactly. This is what the FBI doesn't not want to have to do.They need probable cause first. They can’t just get a warrant and demand you unlock your phone.
Really? So the next time hundreds of people get blown the **** up, and you find out this could've been prevented will you be saying the same thing?
I don't understand this mind set. I never will. The FBI doesn't give a **** about you and me. Are you planning to kill someone? They're looking for the people who will kill us and our families.
This is a problem that WILL eventually cause death and destruction, but thats fine right?
I understand people want to keep secret how much porn they have on their phone, but this is a big issue.
Where do you get your numbers? I do agree with the fear of terrorism is totally irrational though, especially after 9/11. PATRIOT act is an excuse to infringe upon rights of American, in the name of "terrorism".
Make it law. That's the only way, and the use of advanced tech .
I understand people want to keep secret how much porn they have on their phone, but this is a big issue.
The reason the original poster trusts Apple more is because they deliberately ensure they can't access a lot of data that other companies do keep access to, not because they think Apple is more likely to somehow refuse requests they're legally obligated to comply with. What Apple can refuse to do is put in backdoors* or hold device keys. And they're doing the best job of that right now. An Android device is pretty certainly less secure.If the government has their ducks in a row and have done everything above board, Apple will fork over the relevant data they have access to. They tell you that in their transparency reports. That's not to say Apple has access to all of your data or that they fork over all of your data. That is to say if the warrant requested data can be accessed by Apple, Apple will fork it over.
Much of what they used to be able to use has moved from physical documents to our smartphones and computers. If you try to run a police investigation like it is the 1960’s you will not get very far with most crimes today.The government was able to track and arrest criminals long before there were smart phones. There are only 2 possible reason for the FBI wanting weak encryption; 1) they are just lazy, or 2) they just want to spy on everyone.
I disagree with both reasons.
Well, I'm looking at the stats, and I decided it's a chance I'm willing to take.everyone is anti-FBI until a terrorist attack or something happens to them or a love one... Watch how fast they jump to the other side claiming Apple should allow access.
Could you describe a terrorism incident where this would have prevented it? I honestly can't think of one. Anyone can encrypt things by themselves if it's important. The only case where this seems useful is with smaller criminal activity. That I can see an argument for.Really? So the next time hundreds of people get blown the **** up, and you find out this could've been prevented will you be saying the same thing?
I don't understand this mind set. I never will. The FBI doesn't give a **** about you and me. Are you planning to kill someone? They're looking for the people who will kill us and our families.
This is a problem that WILL eventually cause death and destruction, but thats fine right?
Make it law. That's the only way, and the use of advanced tech .