FCP X Demo: 'Nowhere Near' Final Version, More on Final Cut Studio Apps Coming

As an aside, that little localized color-correcting demo (watch the video of the event) is more sophisticated than Aperture's Brushes approach. It would be nice to see that feature move over to stills. And if FCX can render all that heavy video that quickly and in the background, why does it still take more than, say, instantly to load a RAW file? They need to put that guy Randy Ubillos in charge of the Aperture team for next rewrite.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
If it's shipping in June, even June 30, how can it not be near final form? I mean when a developer tells me s/w is "nowhere near final form" I'm thinking early beta at best. But 2.5 months from release (assume June 30) shouldn't it be in the bug testing phases and everything else locked up?
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Coming from a software developer, it is very likely they are doing a concurrent development model whereby they integrate features from different source branches into the main branch one at a time. During this process you periodically "reverse integrate" the main branch into your feature branch to ensure your feature branch is functioning properly. When you complete a feature branch that has the latest main branch features integrated, you test the build within the feature branch, ensure it works, and then integrate into the main branch to make the new feature available to the other feature branches.

If the "missing" features are relatively orthogonal to one another then it is very likely that when this "main branch" was built in February, that testing of the missing features was already well underway on separate builds within each feature branch. However, you don't integrate into the main branch until you believe the feature branch is bug free.

So if they have major other things to integrate into the main release branch, then they should have all at been at about 98% code-completion in the February time frame, but still undergoing quality testing and bug-fix iterations. There is no way they are slapping new things on at the last minute other than fixes to defects they find.

My bet is that the "missing features" are tied to other things they don't want to announce yet because it might reveal some of their strategy in other areas (i.e.: things like integration with iOS 5, cloud services, or iTunes or whatever -- who knows). There is obviously something they are holding back that Apple seems to feel is a big deal.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
If it's shipping in June, even June 30, how can it not be near final form? I mean when a developer tells me s/w is "nowhere near final form" I'm thinking early beta at best. But 2.5 months from release (assume June 30) shouldn't it be in the bug testing phases and everything else locked up?
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Because the version that was showed last night isn't even the most up-to-date. It has been said that they have already re-worked a lot of things that aren't in the latest version. That was probably just a stable version they got out the door for a preview.

I don't know how much they're going to fit in the next few months, but we'll see.
 
tigres said:
Would this run on a maxed 13" air ok?
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Given that FCPX is OpenCL and Grand Central Dispatch ready, it is able to scale to any hardware harnessing all power. A dual-core 2.13ghz with 32 cuda cores on GPU, it should run. What's better is that it already has SSD so you can access your media without having it skip due to drive access latency. So yes.

You are only limited by how long it would take to render in the background, but then again thats out of your way and you can still work on your timeline.
 
It's nice to see the generally positive comments on this forum, other forums for "professionals" are not so happy!

Personally I can't wait to start working with it.
 
Stirfry2112 said:
"However, this does not mean these other applications are dead - simply that Apple is not talking about them... yet."

So maybe this explains the low price point. $299 for Final Cut Pro X and $999 for the full suite? I hope not. All looks amazing though!
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Apple won't sell a suite (there are no suites in the App Store). Look at iWork - just individual apps for purchase. They'll probably charge $299 for FCP and $99/each for the other apps, or have it all rolled up into Final Cut Pro.
 
sconnor99 said:
It's nice to see the generally positive comments on this forum, other forums for "professionals" are not so happy!

Personally I can't wait to start working with it.
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You should have been here earlier! I think before everyone had seen some video of the presentation some people were getting heated!

lowbatteries said:
Apple won't sell a suite (there are no suites in the App Store). Look at iWork - just individual apps for purchase. They'll probably charge $299 for FCP and $99/each for the other apps, or have it all rolled up into Final Cut Pro.
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Wow $99 is sounding awfully wishful! I mean Color was considered a steal at being part of the $1,000 suite! I can't see how Apple is going to do offer the suite. Is FCPX the new FCE but it also comes as part of the $800ish suite?

Perhaps as it has been speculated FCPX is it and all the other applications fit into it (perhaps given the reason for skipping 8 & 9 revisions?)

I think Apple still has some big tricks under its sleeves and its a worthwhile one more thing... that we haven't seen in a while!
 
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Well that's good to hear. My FCP-related fears were mostly quelled by that amazing demo, but I was still worried about how they didn't mention Color as a standalone app. Sounds like I may not have to worry about that either.
 
Having just started filming weddings and shooting my first indie film, I cannot wait for this to arrive in the Mac App Store in June! Although I enjoy using iMovie, I feel a bit underwhelmed now with my use for the program. Being that this has a somewhat similar UI, I'm wondering if the learning curve won't be as steep. I'm just blown away with all the things they mentioned that happened on ingest. This will really free up a lot of time to focus on what matters - editing. Now if only :apple: will give some news on/release the new iMacs.
 
lowbatteries said:
Apple won't sell a suite (there are no suites in the App Store). Look at iWork - just individual apps for purchase. They'll probably charge $299 for FCP and $99/each for the other apps, or have it all rolled up into Final Cut Pro.
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I just wonder if there is any upgrade pricing strategy. No matter what - $299 is A STEAL!
 
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If you think about it, it's not all too surprising that some of these "professionals" are getting so worked up and sulky over this release. The notion that "pro editing" can belong to just about anyone, rather than an exclusive circle of elites, poses an existential crisis. Apple's re-thinking of editing is also a re-thinking of what it means to be "professional". The announcement sheds light on a future in which their "advanced", learned techniques are no longer advantageous. The "industry pros" are facing the plight of impending impotence. It's not something anyone would really openly admit, but I think they're feeling a bit naked, stripped of their status.

Who can blame them for being pissy?
 
swagi said:
I just wonder if there is any upgrade pricing strategy. No matter what - $299 is A STEAL!
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Specifically addressed after the main demo.

No upgrade pricing, versions, etc.; one price, from the app store. Period.

Considering the current FCS price...
 
swagi said:
I just wonder if there is any upgrade pricing strategy. No matter what - $299 is A STEAL!
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From watching the video, I got the impression that there won't be an upgrade version of Final Cut Pro or an Express version. However they did say they haven't shown the rest of the apps off yet, but what remains to be seen is whether they will just offer each app individually on the app store or package them in a retail box as well. I personally can't see how they can get people to download 40GB odd of content, so I am hopeful they will still offer the full studio package with upgrade pricing.
 
Spoken like a 12 year old :rolleyes:

Owning software /= professional. Skill and natural talent for editing make you a professional. A real pro can cut footage on any system, any piece of software and doesn't rely on apps to do it for them. It's a tool that they use to do what they do faster and more efficiently so they can maximize their time/profits.


filmantopia said:
If you think about it, it's not all too surprising that some of these "professionals" are getting so worked up and sulky over this release. The notion that "pro editing" can belong to just about anyone, rather than an exclusive circle of elites, poses an existential crisis. Apple's re-thinking of editing is also a re-thinking of "professional". The announcement sheds light on a future in which their "advanced", learned techniques are no longer advantageous. The "industry pros" are facing the plight of impending impotence.

Who can blame them for being pissy?
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filmantopia said:
If you think about it, it's not all too surprising that some of these "professionals" are getting so worked up and sulky over this release.
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And who, exactly, are you talking about?

All I've seen are a few anonymous comments on this message board. Who are those people? Are they pros? I don't know who they are. Do you know?

Funny how you've developed a whole theory about "professionals" and yet you haven't proved in any way that any pros said what you claimed they said. I've read that the crowd at the show seemed to really love it.

So if you're going to come here and claim you've heard people saying the exact opposite of the news report then you really need to explain where you heard that and who was saying it.
 
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RebootD said:
Spoken like a 12 year old :rolleyes:

Owning software /= professional. Skill and natural talent for editing make you a professional. A real pro can cut footage on any system, any piece of software and doesn't rely on apps to do it for them. It's a tool that they use to do what they do faster and more efficiently so they can maximize their time/profits.


filmantopia said:
If you think about it, it's not all too surprising that some of these "professionals" are getting so worked up and sulky over this release. The notion that "pro editing" can belong to just about anyone, rather than an exclusive circle of elites, poses an existential crisis. Apple's re-thinking of editing is also a re-thinking of "professional". The announcement sheds light on a future in which their "advanced", learned techniques are no longer advantageous. The "industry pros" are facing the plight of impending impotence.

Who can blame them for being pissy?
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Did you just insult me and then agree with what I said?
 
steveh said:
Specifically addressed after the main demo.

No upgrade pricing, versions, etc.; one price, from the app store. Period.

Considering the current FCS price...
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I would be shocked if there wasn't a Studio bundle though... they do it for iLife and iWorks, even making some software exclusive to the iLife Bundle (iWeb for example).

Though the App Store would probably be much better for fighting piracy.
 
My FCS3 install spans 7 DVDs and weighs in around 50gb. FCPX as a stand alone app will be ~300mb, but they'll have to offer it on physical media if they plan on including all the extras that ship with the current suite. I'm sure it'll be $999 full, or $299 upgrade for the full studio. At least I hope so. Here I stand, cash in hand!

I really can't wait to see what happens with Logic.
 
Astro7x said:
Though the App Store would probably be much better for fighting piracy.
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Yeah, I'm sure the no-serial, no-DRM app store is a great approach for fighting piracy.

Wanna know what's best for fighting piracy? Good pricing, and they're doing that.
 
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Small White Car said:
filmantopia said:
If you think about it, it's not all too surprising that some of these "professionals" are getting so worked up and sulky over this release.
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And who, exactly, are you talking about?

All I've seen are a few anonymous comments on this message board. Who are those people? Are they pros? I don't know who they are. Do you know?

Funny how you've developed a whole theory about "professionals" and yet you haven't proved in any way that any pros said what you claimed they said. I've read that the crowd at the show seemed to really love it.

So if you're going to come here and claim you've heard people saying the exact opposite of the news report then you really need to explain where you heard that and who was saying it.
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I'm not necessarily referring to the responses on this thread, just some of the general backlash that Final Cut Pro X has received for looking like iMovie by people claiming to be industry professionals. I use the term loosely because I'm makIng a point about the meaninglessness of the word "professional". Why am I getting such bitter responses from people who seem to agree with my point?
 
filmantopia said:
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If you think about it, it's not all too surprising that some of these "professionals" are getting so worked up and sulky over this release. The notion that "pro editing" can belong to just about anyone, rather than an exclusive circle of elites, poses an existential crisis. Apple's re-thinking of editing is also a re-thinking of what it means to be "professional". The announcement sheds light on a future in which their "advanced", learned techniques are no longer advantageous. The "industry pros" are facing the plight of impending impotence. It's not something anyone would really openly admit, but I think they're feeling a bit naked, stripped of their status.

Who can blame them for being pissy?
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Wonderful post! So the more "professional" editors we see getting "pissy" means the opposite of what one might think.

You mean i can't add unlimited tracks as i need to make my timelines look so complex that my clients quiver in the awesomeness of my brilliance.
 
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