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Fear The Walking Dead (AMC TV- spoilers)
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Kinda with @Mac'nCheese so far. While I am enjoying parts of the show, other parts have been real head scratchers; the traveling Asian husband being a minor one. To that end, we've seen national news covering multi city riots and civil unrest and yet this guy's going on about traffic like its a nuisance? Does he have his head buried in the sand? Poor attention to detail by the writers, if you ask me.
More importantly, our new male lead has witnessed multiple walkers, participated in the up close and personal killing of one (the drug dealer), so we know he fully understands that something is seriously wrong. Yet when his neighbor tries to eat him, he gets upset with the Mexican for saving his and his family's life? Not believable. Also while we're on the subject of unbelievable, how about the time the wife kills her principal with a fire extinguisher and doesn't mention it to her beau, especially in light of their current plight? Maybe not pillow talk, maybe not dinner conversation but really, at some point before the end of ep 3, possibly while she's at the fence, hammer in hand, ready to whack her beloved neighbor between the eyes, maybe, just maybe, that would've been the time to mention it to her man.
Not saying it's all bad, but for a show attempting to score with one of the most rabid, loyal fan bases around, they've got a lot of work to do... And not much time to do it. To win me over, they have to make the fall of modern civilization much more believable, not only in the humongous scope or the precise timeline, but in the smallest details, too. That's the part that interests me. Are they gonna be able to get gas when they leave? How are they gonna pay/barter/steal it? What's this crew willing to do RIGHT NOW to survive this thing? Start to show me the finer points and I'm in. Keep showing me stories and characters not fully fleshed out, and I'll see ya in Oct for the real show.
More importantly, our new male lead has witnessed multiple walkers, participated in the up close and personal killing of one (the drug dealer), so we know he fully understands that something is seriously wrong. Yet when his neighbor tries to eat him, he gets upset with the Mexican for saving his and his family's life? Not believable. Also while we're on the subject of unbelievable, how about the time the wife kills her principal with a fire extinguisher and doesn't mention it to her beau, especially in light of their current plight? Maybe not pillow talk, maybe not dinner conversation but really, at some point before the end of ep 3, possibly while she's at the fence, hammer in hand, ready to whack her beloved neighbor between the eyes, maybe, just maybe, that would've been the time to mention it to her man.
Not saying it's all bad, but for a show attempting to score with one of the most rabid, loyal fan bases around, they've got a lot of work to do... And not much time to do it. To win me over, they have to make the fall of modern civilization much more believable, not only in the humongous scope or the precise timeline, but in the smallest details, too. That's the part that interests me. Are they gonna be able to get gas when they leave? How are they gonna pay/barter/steal it? What's this crew willing to do RIGHT NOW to survive this thing? Start to show me the finer points and I'm in. Keep showing me stories and characters not fully fleshed out, and I'll see ya in Oct for the real show.
I'll argue that maybe things have been a bit too hectic for Madison to tell Travis that she killed the Principle or that from a narrative standpoint they did not want to take the time to show this conversation. Btw, I was looking at the IMDB credits and thought these two were married but they are listed with different last names. Maybe they have not gotten around to it yet.
For the breakdown of society, I think the focus is on this family and so at best we'll get are small glimpses, like when they drive by the hospital and its surrounded by emergency vehicles and a patient is being shot. I don't think there is enough time or money to do a World War Z presentation.
As far as Travis and guns, Travis is still in the "I'm civilized " mode. He'll come around.
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Travis called her "his girlfriend" when the cops asked about whose house they were living in. You're right about Travis and guns but like I said, it's dumb. He saw a man get his face blown off and kept coming at them, nah, no need for my son to learn how to protect himself.I'll argue that maybe things have been a bit too hectic for Madison to tell Travis that she killed the Principle or that from a narrative standpoint they did not want to take the time to show this conversation. Btw, I was looking at the IMDB credits and thought these two were married but they are listed with different last names. Maybe they have not gotten around to it yet.
For the breakdown of society, I think the focus is on this family and so at best we'll get are small glimpses, like when they drive by the hospital and its surrounded by emergency vehicles and a patient is being shot. I don't think there is enough time or money to do a Workd War Z presentation.
As far as Travis and guns, Travis is still in the "I'm civilized " mode. He'll come around.
We all know that people do and say irrational things. Sometimes it takes a while for the reality of this kind of change to sink in. That said, it's up to the writers to pick and choose what they want to emphasis and we as the audience decide if we buy it or not. Clearly not always.
I'm probably in the minority here but I like this show much more than TWD. I do like TWD but I don't feel a connection with any of the characters. I feel like FTWD has been spending a fair amount of time developing the characters. That kind of goes along with my next point - the characters on TWD have pretty much lost their humanity or whatever, there's nowhere for those characters to evolve. Watching the characters in FTWD struggle w/ moral decisions and how that will change over the next few seasons is a lot more interesting to me.
Spoilers episode 3
Am I the only one it drove nuts by Madison and Alicia not exiting the FRONT door of the neighbor's house when they saw Travis pull up at their own house?
I can understand using the back way to go over originally so they don't draw any notice from potential walkers out on the street, but I don't think that's an issue with (1) the truck and (2) they should want to warn him in a timely manner before he walks into the house with a zombie inside.
Other than hat, I really liked episode 3. I look forward to next week.
By the way, Kirkman has publicly stated he is not interested in how the virus began, so patient zero has just that amount of chance of showing up on this show.
Am I the only one it drove nuts by Madison and Alicia not exiting the FRONT door of the neighbor's house when they saw Travis pull up at their own house?
I can understand using the back way to go over originally so they don't draw any notice from potential walkers out on the street, but I don't think that's an issue with (1) the truck and (2) they should want to warn him in a timely manner before he walks into the house with a zombie inside.
Other than hat, I really liked episode 3. I look forward to next week.
By the way, Kirkman has publicly stated he is not interested in how the virus began, so patient zero has just that amount of chance of showing up on this show.
It's never "too hectic" to tell your loved ones you just killed a man. Never.
And from the narrative standpoint, if we're looking at the fall of civilization, this a pretty important conversation to have on screen. I was kinda hoping this fall of humanity would be what the Fear storyline was about. How did we get from having a Governor to The Governor. Just for fun, I'll give that convo a Ron Burgundy go:
Her: Honey, I just bashed my Principal's brain in with a fire extinguisher while I was stealing drugs for my addict kid.
Him: Great story. Compelling, and rich.
It's never "too hectic" to tell your loved ones you just killed a man. Never.
And from the narrative standpoint, if we're looking at the fall of civilization, this a pretty important conversation to have on screen. I was kinda hoping this fall of humanity would be what the Fear storyline was about. How did we get from having a Governor to The Governor. Just for fun, I'll give that convo a Ron Burgundy go:
Her: Honey, I just bashed my Principal's brain in with a fire extinguisher while I was stealing drugs for my addict kid.
Him: Great story. Compelling, and rich.
Maybe we'll see the Governator!
This makes me very unhappy!
The thing is if the mechanics are that everyone is infected, there is no patient zero in a tradional sense.
Right but they can show us what happened. How this virus started or something. To add a prequel series and not address that is very frustrating.
One of the events that they are trying to instill in viewers, in my opinion, is that the events of the zombie apocalypse was assisted by some widespread sickness. They kept mentioning a flu in episode one that is causing a lot of kids to stay home from school. This sickness is apparently very deadly, which is why there was such a large number of people dying. So the question I have is, is the sickness part of what infected everyone--those it didn't kill, it still infected--or is it simply poor timing. If the former, then I assume that is what people are clamoring for, even if it isn't one random guy who uncovered some ancient virus in the Antarctic or something.
I wonder if the sickness that happened in season 4 (I think) of The Walking Dead is anyhow related. If it is, then it would be strange that the cast would be affected by it then and not during the initial stages of the outbreak like we are seeing in Fear.
I don't think we'll get a patient zero scenario. If the guy at the CDC in TWD didn't know, then I don't think anyone will. I also think if the writers open that can of worms, viewers may be able to poke holes in story lines or specific scenes already presented, or worse yet, box the story line.
I understand the desire to know, I do myself. But if we haven't gotten it by now, I doubt it will happen.
I understand the desire to know, I do myself. But if we haven't gotten it by now, I doubt it will happen.
In my opinion this is a fantasy event, which I assume most of you would agree with.
So while the most basic of mechanisms have been described, in the most general manner, giving the transmission aspect a plausible feel, as in everyone is infected and maybe like an unknown virus mechanism, it evolved spontaneously and simotaneously, so as to turn the Earth into zombie central, based on their visit to the CDC, the writer's message is pretty clear, we don't feel the need or want to explain it! For suspension of disbelief, it's better left as an unknown mechanism. For something like a virus to be transmitted world wide in a benign state so everyone is infected, it seems like that would take a long time. If the zombie effect was immediate upon exposure, and subsequently dying, there would be a point where the whole world was not infected, and you would see the first outbreak very close to patient zero.
The problem is, from the survivors viewpoint, it's hard to know, unless it's reported in the media to be a National or World wide phenomena and you are in a position to hear the report. The writer would have to deem this info as important. That info would come from an organization having the where with all and capabilitues of a National lab and coordinated international tracking like in World War Z, but I don't remember if they identified a source for the breakout in that story. And here, we all ready struck out with the CDC.
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This last episode I liked a lot. Bringing the military in and basically making little safe zones. I know why, but man the head military guy for our particular safe zone is a butt head. I also thought they ended the episode appropriately with the muzzle flash being seen by the dad.
Did anybody else pick up on the fact it looked like normal citizens were taken out by the military.
With only two episodes left I am wondering how far they are going to go with the outbreak. Are we going to see the collapse of the military in this season?
Did anybody else pick up on the fact it looked like normal citizens were taken out by the military.
With only two episodes left I am wondering how far they are going to go with the outbreak. Are we going to see the collapse of the military in this season?
They are basically building up the foundation of people being the ones who created most of the problems and ultimately turn the world into what it is in TWD. Basically it's not the virus or the walkers that are really at fault as much as the reactions of people and how badly (in enough cases) they deal with it all.
One of the quotes on this last episode about fear making people do the things they do (that then in turn usually end up causing more problems) was pretty much a good summary of it all--not just this show, but TWD, and realistically practically almost anything in the zombie/outbreak/distopian genre.
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I know right, if it was anything like my house last night there were thousands of people telling her to pick it up!
Plus, as my wife pointed out, the military are fenced off from the safe zone, why?
What's the deal with the doctor? Why the pretense/subterfuge? Almost looks like, from the preview, that the sick are deliberately allowed to turn for research purposes.
Are the military actually following orders or making stuff up as they go along acting for themselves?
I like the show and the pace, even though it's a lot slower than the main show.
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I know right, if it was anything like my house last night there were thousands of people telling her to pick it up!
Plus, as my wife pointed out, the military are fenced off from the safe zone, why?
What's the deal with the doctor? Why the pretense/subterfuge? Almost looks like, from the preview, that the sick are deliberately allowed to turn for research purposes.
Are the military actually following orders or making stuff up as they go along acting for themselves?
I like the show and the pace, even though it's a lot slower than the main show.
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Oh, these are interesting! I picked up on it, but it didn't really strike me regarding the military being on the other side of the fence! We didn't like the doctor either. There was something off about her character.
We were yelling/hoping she picked up the gun also! LOL
I think he meant when the blonde lead, forget her name, was walking around the city she saw a gun on the ground.