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Problem is that Congress gave the Executive pretty broad abilities in this area via the TEA and IEEPA, not to mention years of allowing it. Congress either needs to allow these or rein them in and set them. Not the Judiciary.

I think they Judiciary does need to rein it in, by telling congress that they cannot delegate their duties to another branch of government without a constitutional amendment.
 
Understandable, but my reply was more focused on the guy saying half the country was brainwashed. Not necessarily this tariff issue.
Too much of the country gets their news from propaganda networks (Fox News, Newsmax) and echo chambers for conspiracy theories.

We need better politicians, but thats impossible. Anyone whose not in someone else's pocket stands no chance.
Not impossible. We just need to fix the system. Like it or not, those fixes are only supported on the left. They require a a commitment to democracy. End gerrymandering. Overturn Citizens United. Get rid of the filibuster and all other anti-majority rules like blue slips. Move to ranked choice voting in all elections. Get rid of the electoral college. Term limits and ethics requirements for SCOTUS.

I'm a conservative, but Democrats now support the issues I care about. Free speech, religious freedom. democracy, law and order, equal opportunity, science, and academic freedom.
 
Too much of the country gets their news from propaganda networks (Fox News, Newsmax) and echo chambers for conspiracy theories.


Not impossible. We just need to fix the system. Like it or not, those fixes are only supported on the left. They require a a commitment to democracy. End gerrymandering. Overturn Citizens United. Get rid of the filibuster and all other anti-majority rules like blue slips. Move to ranked choice voting in all elections. Get rid of the electoral college. Term limits and ethics requirements for SCOTUS.

I'm a conservative, but Democrats now support the issues I care about. Free speech, religious freedom. democracy, law and order, equal opportunity, science, and academic freedom.
Sorry, but Democrats paired with law and order doesnt really resonate with me.The only time they care is when it's used as a weapon to club their opponents. You coulda took that one out and I would have mostly agreed with you :D

I'll have to research what a blue slip is because I'm not sure I follow. Never heard of Citizens United either. Maybe I've been out of the game too long
 
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Fair enough.


But you're still trying to bothsides the issue. The far right currently controls the Republican Party. The far left doesn't have any power in the Democratic Party. The Center does. The left (Democratic Socialists - Bernie, AOC) have some influence.

I'm certainly not ignoring that a far left exists, it simply has no political power.
The far left in America are unemployed people posting on Twitter with a hammer and sickle in their bio. They’re so vanishingly rare in politics they might as well not exist.

The “far left” is currently just a label that fascist grifters use against anyone who doesn’t think total power should lie with Trump. (And to a slightly lesser extent, billionaires and evangelicals).

As for people posting about “both sides” yeah, sure, both sides have issues. One is clearly worse than the other right now.
 
Sorry, but Democrats paired with law and order doesnt really resonate with me.The only time they care is when it's used as a weapon to club their opponents. You coulda took that one out and I would have mostly agreed with you :D

I'll have to research what a blue slip is because I'm not sure I follow. Never heard of Citizens United either. Maybe I've been out of the game too long
Citizens United was a SCOTUS case that ruled that campaign contributions fall under the 1st amendment, and cannot be limited by the government.

Needless to say, that resulted in candidates who are more friendly to moneyed interests having their campaigns elevated.
 
honestly wish the courts wouldn't bail him out of his own stupidity
There's an entire nation of citizens, 31% of eligible voters who did, and 30% of eligible voters who did not, vote for him that are forced to live with the consequences of those stupid decisions.

It's good that some guardrails are intact enough to resist, but this administration will continue to push.
 
He doesn't have the authority to do this but his MAGA people thinks he's God and can do what he wants. LOL


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Not disagreeing, but why now? Why not with Reagan or Biden? It should have been with the Acts.

That reasoning doesn’t necessarily work. That’s like saying re: the ruling for interracial marriage “why now?” despite not doing it long prior. Because now’s the time, simple as that. Sure there were prior opportunities and those would have been the best time to handle it, but the second best time to fix something that’s broken is today.
 
Problem is that Congress gave the Executive pretty broad abilities in this area via the TEA and IEEPA, not to mention years of allowing it. Congress either needs to allow these or rein them in and set them. Not the Judiciary.
And then.... what exactly? Do they "Send the cops" or submit a bill or something? The time to stop him was at the Election, and unfortunately enough people decided to not vote.
 
Too much of the country gets their news from propaganda networks (Fox News, Newsmax) and echo chambers for conspiracy theories.
I think this is due to the classification of the channel. In the case of Fox News, they're branded as an Entertainment Network, not actually a News Network like some others, which is why they're able to flat out lie about most things.

Plus, most of Middle America doesn't get anything other than Fox News. If they wanted to change to another network, they might not be able to.
 
Sorry, but Democrats paired with law and order doesnt really resonate with me.The only time they care is when it's used as a weapon to club their opponents.
That's certainly what the right wing propaganda would have you believe. But you're not supposed to get a "get out of jail free" card because the other party is in office. Jan 6 prosecutions were legitimate. Prosecutions of 45 were legitimate. His impeachment was legitimate, and he should have been removed from office.

On the other hand, Republicans are currently ignoring due process and threatening to end habeus corpus.They are sending people to a foreign torture prison for life without conviction. The president is accepting bribes and issuing corrupt pardons. They are ignoring the impoundment act. Blatantly attacking free speech by targeting law firms and universities.

I disagree with a whole lot of Democratic policies around law and order, but they are certainly better than the other side right now.

I'll have to research what a blue slip is because I'm not sure I follow. Never heard of Citizens United either. Maybe I've been out of the game too long
A blue slip allows individual senators to hold up judicial nominations simply because they are from the same state. Citizens United prevents the FEC from limiting corporate spending on elections allowing unlimited dark money in politics.
 
Citizens United was a SCOTUS case that ruled that campaign contributions fall under the 1st amendment, and cannot be limited by the government.

Needless to say, that resulted in candidates who are more friendly to moneyed interests having their campaigns elevated.
Thats too bad. This with lobbying is something I am strongly against.
 
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Trump certainly didn’t, he thought “they’ll just start making it in USA!”
Yeah, he totally doesn't get, and can't be taught, and can't be bothered to try to comprehend, that it would take a decade to spin up a fully US manufactured iPhone. There are skillsets where the US has dozens of qualified people (working at defense contractors since their stuff has to be made here), and China has tens of thousands of qualified people. China can support hundreds of thousands of skilled workers in the same densely packed city working on one product - the US doesn't have anything like that sort of concentration of skilled labor anywhere right now (especially as spare capacity that could start working on iPhones next month).

The proper approach, if the goal was actually US manufacturing, and the person wanting that had any shred of intelligence, would be to start a ten year plan of encouragements/benefits to train a whole crop of people in the necessary skills, along with building an "Apple City" somewhere that could support all the manufacturing necessary to churn out something in excess of half a million phones a day, like they're doing in China. But Trump's brain is that of a 4 year old, who thinks that if they yell and stamp their feet enough, reality will bend to fill their desires. Putting on tariffs now to force manufacturing back immediately, is jumping out of an airplane and then starting to shop around for parachutes.

In reality, if iPhone manufacturing does end up coming back to the US, it'll likely be in the form of highly automated factories employing a fraction of the workforce that the Chinese factories employ, mostly just overseeing/maintaining the robotic equipment that's doing all the assembly work, thus not getting the huge number of manufacturing jobs that Trump thinks this will generate.
 
Autocratic executive branch. Ineffective legislative. Judicial branch keeping the government intact.
Autocratic executive branch. Complicit legislative. Judicial branch occasionally keeping the government intact, depending on which way the wind blows. Judicial also cheerfully handed over most of the power in the country by granting near unlimited immunity and ruling in favor of unlimited corporate influence.
 
Yeah, he totally doesn't get, and can't be taught, and can't be bothered to try to comprehend, that it would take a decade to spin up a fully US manufactured iPhone. There are skillsets where the US has dozens of qualified people (working at defense contractors since their stuff has to be made here), and China has tens of thousands of qualified people. China can support hundreds of thousands of skilled workers in the same densely packed city working on one product - the US doesn't have anything like that sort of concentration of skilled labor anywhere right now (especially as spare capacity that could start working on iPhones next month).

The proper approach, if the goal was actually US manufacturing, and the person wanting that had any shred of intelligence, would be to start a ten year plan of encouragements/benefits to train a whole crop of people in the necessary skills, along with building an "Apple City" somewhere that could support all the manufacturing necessary to churn out something in excess of half a million phones a day, like they're doing in China. But Trump's brain is that of a 4 year old, who thinks that if they yell and stamp their feet enough, reality will bend to fill their desires. Putting on tariffs now to force manufacturing back immediately, is jumping out of an airplane and then starting to shop around for parachutes.

In reality, if iPhone manufacturing does end up coming back to the US, it'll likely be in the form of highly automated factories employing a fraction of the workforce that the Chinese factories employ, mostly just overseeing/maintaining the robotic equipment that's doing all the assembly work, thus not getting the huge number of manufacturing jobs that Trump thinks this will generate.
I don't know why this post made me think of this, but wouldn't the smart play be to encourage Apple to bring manufacturing to Mexico. :D Solves multiple problems and certainly more realistic than the US. Make it a ten year plan to educate and build a new workforce.
 
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Headlines like this make no sense. Apple knows they would have been able to sell $4K phones. Customers know they wouldn't have bought $4K phones. So in essence, it means Apple would have had to eat into those profits a bit to get the price to be reasonable versus releasing a new phone that would immediately flop. They'd sell a few, but not many, and most customers would just hold onto their phones a bit longer. And Apple would push even faster to bring manufacturing their components to the US or other non-China/non-heavy tariff countries.
 
I don’t think any of y’all understand. Trump doesn’t have an economic agenda. He only has one agenda: enrich himself. The facts are undeniable. He’s turned the Oval Office into a business, openly selling pardons to donors and donor groups, selling an untraceable meme coin, demanding a jet from Qatar(it wasn’t a gift, it was extortion), and making sure his real estate deals get backed by the power of the office. He’s doing private business on taxpayer’s clock, and using government resources to make it happen.

His backers are dupes, mentally weak people who yearn for an autocrat to solve their problems. I have to ask, what problem did he solve the first time? What is he solving now? Nothing.
 
Why they would vote for a convicted felon, though? That requires some reading about how the brainwashed mind works.
It's pretty simple really, when you (and everyone around you) are soaking in tasty propaganda 24/7, never exposed to any actual news, then you will believe what the propagandists want you to believe. You'll "reason" using facts and tools given to you by them. And Fox / OAN / NewsMax / conservative radio have built a "state-run media" propaganda machine that would make Soviet-era Pravda, or the North Korean news machine, quite proud.
 
Not impossible. We just need to fix the system. Like it or not, those fixes are only supported on the left. They require a a commitment to democracy. End gerrymandering. Overturn Citizens United. Get rid of the filibuster and all other anti-majority rules like blue slips. Move to ranked choice voting in all elections. Get rid of the electoral college. Term limits and ethics requirements for SCOTUS.

I'm a conservative, but Democrats now support the issues I care about. Free speech, religious freedom. democracy, law and order, equal opportunity, science, and academic freedom.
Careful, what you're advocating for is seen as radical far-left communism by about a third of the country, who are steeped in Fox News.
 
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