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Firmware Hints at New iPod Touch?
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Both? Where did I say anything about listening to music through speakers? I specifically, twice, described the need for a decent audible alarm ala just about every PDA I've ever used. I don't give a toss what you do in your car, though you seem to think I do. I'm just asking for the one feature that is really needed to allow Apple to finally put Palm out of their misery.
I'm pretty sure that's wrong. AIUI, the iPhone uses assisted GPS to provide faster location times, but has a true GPS system behind it. The Touch would therefore do regular GPS just like the iPhone can, but would lack the ability to rapidly locate itself, giving a slight time advantage to the iPhone.
That doesn't logically follow. The iPhone already has all of the features under discussion here, and that'll need upgrading in a year's time too. So you might see this as maxing out the Touch, but Apple clearly doesn't, otherwise the iPhone is maxed also.
Right now, Apple will be looking towards a strong app store to keep Touches and iPhones selling, and they'll be looking to strong sales of the two devices to entice developers towards the app store. Once they get some serious momentum behind them, the app store alone will keep both devices selling at a healthy clip. Beating the competition hard this year could be a real game changer for them in the medium term, so slightly paring back on the profit margins for the Touch is hardly an out there concept.
alright here's better logic. Apple wants to keep more of a separation between the iPhone and iPod touch, thus they won't be adding bluetooth, a camera, speakers, etc.
That's the same reason why there's no midrange tower, it'd cut into iMac sales and Mac Pro sales.
I know what I've been waiting for...
I need more gigs! 32 gigs was a step in the right direction, but they need to try for 50 to 80G before I lay down my money! I was just about sold on the iPhone but Softbank is charging over double the regular monthly fee. No thanks. If they decide to add at least another 20G I will gladly choose the iPod Touch as a healthy alternative!
I need more gigs! 32 gigs was a step in the right direction, but they need to try for 50 to 80G before I lay down my money! I was just about sold on the iPhone but Softbank is charging over double the regular monthly fee. No thanks. If they decide to add at least another 20G I will gladly choose the iPod Touch as a healthy alternative!
I still think Apple's making a mistake not having a competitive normal desktop computer.
But regardless, that's not a valid comparison because we're not talking about price. I want hardware buttons and an internal speaker, and if they want to charge $100-200 or whatever, so be it. They have no reason not to sell a Touch instead of an iPhone if they make as much money off it.
Exactly, it's need some kind of a speaker. I hate that I can't really hear my alarms and alerts.
It's like wearing a watch that displays just hours and minutes, but not seconds. Sure I'd like one that displays seconds, but I'd take the minutes watch over no watch.But what's the point if it takes crap pictures? That's rather like wearing a watch with the incorrect time.
There's more problems with your logic right there. Apple doesn't want to charge $100-$200 for those features, they're charging ~$2,000 in the iPhone.
If you want those features you're going to have to shell out for the iPhone.
The PSP has gps , camera, and mic. Yes those are all add-ons (maybe the new will have them built-in) but still if a game device can have those functions then why not the touch.
Not true, they're customers are demanding it now and if they really want those features they should get an iPhone. So obviously the iPhone has a lot to do with it.
Show me one single recent article where someone from Apple (preferably an authority on the subject) says something to that effect.
I'd like to see your numbers on the subject. I could argue that the Air (not AIR) had the exact opposite effect. The Air is a companion machine, not meant to be a primary machine. So those who purchased an Air are more likely to purchase another Mac. Quod erat demonstrandum, I win!
Sweet mother of god, why is this so hard? If I wanted a damn phone, I'd buy one. I don't. I want a PDA. The Touch is that, it just needs a few extra features. Apple aren't losing an iPhone sale here, they're losing a Touch sale.
Q3 conference call, reiterating what they've said in almost every conference call since the iPhone was first announced:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/07/21/apple-q3-conference-call-mystery-product-hinted
I don't have figures, and I don't much care where the Air is drawing its sales from, but your QED doesn't necessarily hold. You assume that the Air is a companion to another laptop. Why couldn't someone who was in the market for a Mackook for portability to complement their iMac/MacPro instead get the Air. They still have the same number of units, but one is now an Air instead of a Macbook / MBP.
add an SD or MicroSD slot and ill consider an ipod touch. $470 for only 32gb of flash memory? Its wank.
iPod Touch Camera
I think they should do a 5 (or higher) MP camera on the Touch. With the onboard storage, ability to email with wifi, option to edit photos on the Touch, sync wirelessly to a computer/online photo site, etc., I think that would be a cool differentiator from the iPhone. Bluetooth and mic seems to be encroaching too close to iPhone territory.
I think they should do a 5 (or higher) MP camera on the Touch. With the onboard storage, ability to email with wifi, option to edit photos on the Touch, sync wirelessly to a computer/online photo site, etc., I think that would be a cool differentiator from the iPhone. Bluetooth and mic seems to be encroaching too close to iPhone territory.
yeah, nowhere in that article you linked to does it say anything about Apple not caring if they introduced a machine that would cut into another product's sales.
As for your first part Apple isn't going to introduce something between a touch and an iphone they NEED to be able to have distinguishing details between the iPod touch and what is basically and iPod touch Pro.
I never said the Air was a companion to another Laptop, I said it was a companion to another Mac. Apple does make desktops. And People who have an Air are more likely to need another computer, thus they'll buy a Mac Pro, iMac, Mac mini or Macbook Pro. That means Apple is more likely to make two sales. However people who don't want an Air Would be more likely to just get one computer.
Therefore, my QED does hold, newbie.
Really now? Did you actually read it?
quoting directly from that article:
"Apple sold just over 11 million iPods in the quarter. While iPod sales are up 10 percent in the US and 15 percent abroad, ASP is down due to a higher mix of shuffles and the current promo, and possibly cannibalization by the iPhone. However, company executives reiterated the stance that if there is to be cannibalization, they want to eat themselves."
Who said anything about a new product? We're talking about a second gen Touch here. That device replaces the current model. I don't know where you're getting a Touch Pro from. If the new model number really does refer to a third device then all bets are off as that could be just about anything.
Sigh, you aren't much good at logic are you? Good to see you can do weak ad-hominems as a get out jail free card, though. Newbie? Seriously? Don't you feel just a little pathetic after that effort?
If you invoke Q.E.D. you are in effect saying that there are no alternatives on the table. That's what it means. Since I just gave one example of a scenario not covered by your 'proof', your use of Q.E.D. is fallacious.
At the risk of Fisking you, let's take a look at your argument shall we?
A bit like a laptop then? So that'd be a laptop like, oh, I don't know, a MacBook, or MacBook Pro? So what we have is three portable devices, each of which can be used as a companion to a desktop machine. Let's be charitable and remove the Pro, since it is arguably meant to be a desktop replacement. That leaves us with two laptops that essentially do exactly the same thing, namely they function as laptops, and in most cases are complementary to a second machine (that may or may not be a Mac). I'd say they're in competition therefore, surely?
People who have a MacBook are quite likely to need another computer. So, what's your point, again?
Also, the use of 'thus' to signify that there is no chance the second box will be anything other than an Apple is a logical falsehood too.
Not necessarily any more likely than if they had sold a MacBook to the same customer.
Are you saying that only people who buy Airs also buy secondary systems? I'd love to see your figures to back that up.
Apple sold me a Macbook and I've been content with this as my only computer. And I'd bet a fair chunk of change that a greater proportion of Macbook owners use it as their sole computer over those Macbook Air owners.
Heck, you can run Final Cut pretty well on a macbook (you definitely can't do much Pro work on an Air)
QED is also only used when you've proved something. I've just supported my argument and QED was used as more of a joke, especially since it was 'QED I win'
So I fail to see how bringing that into the discussion merits your OPINION (that's not backed up with much).I've been able to back up my opinion with basic business logic, what have you done?
I guess I wasn't very clear about the iPod touch Pro, I meant that the iPhone is the iPod touch Pro. When I talked about Apple introducing a new product I was talking about the iPod touch revision B.
As for their stance on cannibalization that doesn't mean they're willing to introduce a product that will do nothing more than cut into the sales of another.
It looks that way.
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And, I won't pay $2000 more for a camera and speakers, and I'm sure very few people will. So I don't see the cannibalization/differentiation argument.
You seem to be like skimming over stuff and only reading what you want to see. I specifically said "the same customer." I'm not talking about people who buy MacBooks as desktop replacements. Those people complete screw your whole argument, which is ironic given that you count yourself amongst their number. The MacBook is meant to be a laptop, the MB Pro is the desktop replacement. When people choose MacBooks over Pros Apple are losing the chance to sell the higher priced model, so effectively the Pro is in competition with the base MB. That can't be right though, 'cos you said that Apple don't let that happen. That's a bit of an existential crisis you must be having there.
Anyway, putting aside the fact you willfully misread what I said, swapping anecdotal 'evidence' is pointless. I can vouch for myself and others I know who use MacBooks as secondary devices only. I also know plenty of college students who only have a MacBook. Unless you have hard numbers to hand, none of this tells you anything.
What haven't I backed up?
I've given my rationale plenty of times above. I've actually not seen you do so, other than to say that Apple wont risk cannibalization of sales, which is patently false.
It absolutely does if they see a greater risk of a competitor releasing a similar product anyway. That's the whole point. They could have made an iPhone with no media support to protect the iPod brand, but they didn't because neither would their competition.
The likelihood of Palm coming back from the dead at this point is slim, but Apple isn't going to take that risk. Nor are they going to risk MS deciding to head back aggressively into putting windows on non-phone handhelds as an easy way of boosting the Zune brand and derailing the app store and with it the iPhone.
Actually, it is very durable. But it scratches easily. Just like the MacBook casing. Durability is not related to how easily something can get scratched.
An iPod Touch upgrade would be nice. Especially considering that there hasn't really been one yet.