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First 24" LED Cinema Displays Arrive

I bought one today.

Sure, it's pretty glossy. But I don't do color work for print, and while I hate the reflection, the fact that the colors are vibrant and the screen looks great makes me happy with this purchase.

And of course, the fact that all the connections and power are done with Apple's flair is icing on the cake.

Sure, I (kinda) understand why some people don't like this display, but for my needs, it's simply perfect.

A great, simple display that looks great. I'm very pleased.
 
Not impressed with this monitor.

  • No matte display
  • Doesn't rotate
  • Doesn't swivel
  • No height adjust
  • No HDCP (that I'm aware of)
  • No HDMI
  • Lack of zillions of other inputs
  • Overpriced

Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp

  • Same class of monitor S-PVA 8-bit Panel (visual quality is amazing)
  • Has matte display
  • Has rotate
  • Has swivel
  • Has height adjust
  • Has HDCP
  • Has HDMI
  • Has zillions of inputs
  • $300 less

I'm an Apple fan, have been for years. I'm getting ready to purchase a new Macbook Pro, and would LOVE a Mac Pro, but this monitor....NO WAY. You're all crazy.

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.
 
fxscreamer said:
Not impressed with this monitor.

  • No matte display
  • Doesn't rotate
  • Doesn't swivel
  • No height adjust
  • No HDCP (that I'm aware of)
  • No HDMI
  • Lack of zillions of other inputs
  • Overpriced

Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp

  • Same class of monitor S-PVA 8-bit Panel (visual quality is amazing)
  • Has matte display
  • Has rotate
  • Has swivel
  • Has height adjust
  • Has HDCP
  • Has HDMI
  • Has zillions of inputs
  • $300 less

I'm an Apple fan, have been for years. I'm getting ready to purchase a new Macbook Pro, and would LOVE a Mac Pro, but this monitor....NO WAY. You're all crazy.

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.
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I agree with the level of suck on these new ACDs. I've got a 2008wfp and it smokes these things - even with an "inferior" CFL. (LEDs aren't much - if any - better than CFLs right now) I paid less than 1/2 the price.

BUT - I do think they are HDCP compliant - as it's implemented in these new laptops.

That aside - you can't use another device with it until someone makes an adapter. So no PS3 / Xbox, Blu-Ray ...
 
I just want to add that many professional game and film developers use the Dell 2408WFP. It's got a lot of bang for buck. I have seen many behind the scenes videos of offices, and every one of them is using an Ultrasharp. (not that many also use Apple displays :) )

And for the record, yes...I've seen the new Apple display in person. MEH.
 
I have the 2408WFP - type o.

I did have a 2007WFP - but I gave that to my dad as an HD TV. (gotta love the multiple inputs)
:D
 
fxscreamer said:
Not impressed with this monitor.


Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.
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To be fair, the 2408 has some pretty horrific output lag, unless they've fixed it since I last used one.
 
24 Led Display

I just purchased the new 24 inch Led Display in the Walt Whitman Mall on Long Island. The monitor is even better at home than it looks in the store. Its really bright and clear and the colors are amazing. Yes there is glare, but its not bad. The picture is beautiful and pleasurable to look at.

I know the Dell is less but this integrates so nicely with my MP Pro. The built in power adapater is a great touch. The speakers sound really good and camera works great. The clarity is amazing. The display turns on instantly at full brightness. No denying its expensive, but it is great quality. It seems apple is moving in the glossy direction. I do not graphic arts and don't know whether the purist likes glossy or not, but I do know its beautiful to look at.

Very satisfied with the purchase.
 
fxscreamer said:
Not impressed with this monitor.

  • No matte display
  • Doesn't rotate
  • Doesn't swivel
  • No height adjust
  • No HDCP (that I'm aware of)
  • No HDMI
  • Lack of zillions of other inputs
  • Overpriced

Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp

  • Same class of monitor S-PVA 8-bit Panel (visual quality is amazing)
  • Has matte display
  • Has rotate
  • Has swivel
  • Has height adjust
  • Has HDCP
  • Has HDMI
  • Has zillions of inputs
  • $300 less

I'm an Apple fan, have been for years. I'm getting ready to purchase a new Macbook Pro, and would LOVE a Mac Pro, but this monitor....NO WAY. You're all crazy.

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.
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My god. You people need to get their act straight. I don't buy a monitor to have zillions of input, hdcp, hdmi or whatever. I buy it to be accurate in color, and my alu display does all that a lot better than the dell displays. Just look at the panel, it's the PANEL that ultimately makes this monitor.


And about that new LED display, djeez, you guys are already making assumptions without ever seeing one or using one in person. Are you always crapping on products like that before laying eyes on them?

Must be an attitude problem. Sorry guys but all this wining and bitchering is bugging a lot of people on this forum.

No, i'm no apple fanboy, i'm talking in general.
 
grue said:
That's not an IPS panel, I don't think.
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from the manual lcd-ips , 1920x1200, 400cd/m, 102% NTSC Color, 90degrees rotatable, 178H/V angle, 5 ms. etc.

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fxscreamer said:
Not impressed with this monitor.

  • No matte display
  • Doesn't rotate
  • Doesn't swivel
  • No height adjust
  • No HDCP (that I'm aware of)
  • No HDMI
  • Lack of zillions of other inputs
  • Overpriced

Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp

  • Same class of monitor S-PVA 8-bit Panel (visual quality is amazing)
  • Has matte display
  • Has rotate
  • Has swivel
  • Has height adjust
  • Has HDCP
  • Has HDMI
  • Has zillions of inputs
  • $300 less

I'm an Apple fan, have been for years. I'm getting ready to purchase a new Macbook Pro, and would LOVE a Mac Pro, but this monitor....NO WAY. You're all crazy.

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.
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This isn't a direct response to you personally, but everyone saying the same thing over and over.

Acer, ASUS, BenQ, Dell, Eizo, Hazro, HP, Hyundi, Iiyama, LaCie, Lenovo, LG, NEC, Philips, Samsung, Sun, Video Seven, Viewsonic. That's 18 companies that sell 24" displays, most sell more than 1. Including the previous generation of displays, which are often just as an acceptable choice, there are surely over fifty 24" displays available to people.

Why would Apple do the same thing as most of them and try compete in such a crowded, low margin, market? It doesn't make sense and that it is why they are selling a specialist item intended for a niche. Like most of Apple's hardware for the features you get it has competitive pricing, but if you only want some or don't value others then it seems overpriced. Apple can't make half a dozen displays that cater to all Mac owners and if someone can't find a 24" display that meets their criteria, well they probably need to find someone who can google.
 
klaus said:
My god. You people need to get their act straight. I don't buy a monitor to have zillions of input, hdcp, hdmi or whatever. I buy it to be accurate in color, and my alu display does all that a lot better than the dell displays. Just look at the panel, it's the PANEL that ultimately makes this monitor.
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I full agree. The lack of proper understanding of displays on this forum is incredible.

The backlight is very important, too. The colour accuracy in the pro apple displays (20-23-30) is much better than Dell. More uniform across the backlight, too.

I've not seen the LED backlit 24 yet, so I won't comment, but I'd wager that it's better for top level use than the plastic dell crap. I mean, people are seriously bitching about the price of a display that is made out of glass and aluminium with integrated isight and speakers, and then comparing it to something made out of cheap plastic with ****** components.

There is a choice between the two, if people want to save money and get a dell, that's fine - just don't try and pass it off as the same things or better, because it's not true.
 
és: said:
I full agree. The lack of proper understanding of displays on this forum is incredible.
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So true.

It absolutely pains me to see people comparing a $399 24" monitor to a Cinema Display. Absolutely incredible.

In response to fxscreamer, why could you possibly want HDCP? Do you actually know what it is?
 
budward said:
love it!
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I like the concept of docking to a larger screen. Do you need to keep the laptop open when docked OR can you close the lid and slide it out of the way, (which I would think makes more sense and wastes/takes up less desk space)?
 
fxscreamer said:
Not impressed with this monitor.

  • No matte display
  • Doesn't rotate
  • Doesn't swivel
  • No height adjust
  • No HDCP (that I'm aware of)
  • No HDMI
  • Lack of zillions of other inputs
  • Overpriced

Compared to the Dell 24" 2408 Ultrasharp

  • Same class of monitor S-PVA 8-bit Panel (visual quality is amazing)
  • Has matte display
  • Has rotate
  • Has swivel
  • Has height adjust
  • Has HDCP
  • Has HDMI
  • Has zillions of inputs
  • $300 less

I'm an Apple fan, have been for years. I'm getting ready to purchase a new Macbook Pro, and would LOVE a Mac Pro, but this monitor....NO WAY. You're all crazy.

Unless you're talking aesthetics, the Dell destroys the Cinema display in every category. I was REALLY hoping Apple would get their act together from the last cinema displays, but they didn't learn, and are still stuck in 2003 when it comes to monitor features.
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Sorry, you can't compare the Dell to this new Apple Monitor. H-IPS + LED > S-PVA and CCFL. Plus the Dell still has issues with weird green tint on the screen itself. Look over at Hardforums at the 2408WFP thread. You'll see all the problems with the display.
 
rva1 said:
I like the concept of docking to a larger screen. Do you need to keep the laptop open when docked OR can you close the lid and slide it out of the way, (which I would think makes more sense and wastes/takes up less desk space)?
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You can choose to either use both displays in Extended Desktop mode, both displays in the Mirror mode and external display only (you just have to have mouse and kb connected)
 
apple is targeting a completely different market with theses monitors. Apple has based their accessory business on people that have more money than sense. A calibrated 2407 will perform just as well as a calibrated cinema display. Cinema displays are a purchase for aesthetics.
 
How bright is the Display in the lowest setting compared to the current iMac?
Actually, the current iMac is too bright for me in the lowest setting.

"Shades" is no solution as it compromises colors pretty much.
 
és: said:
The colour accuracy in the pro apple displays (20-23-30) is much better than Dell.
...
There is a choice between the two, if people want to save money and get a dell, that's fine - just don't try and pass it off as the same things or better, because it's not true.
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If you go to:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/panelsearch.htm

You will see that you are incorrect about some of the Dell Monitors in comparison to the Apple Cinema Displays:

As you can see in the following comparison that the Dell and Apple use identical panels in the 20" and 30" Displays


Dell 2007WFP 20"WS LG.Philips S-IPS(LM201W01)
Apple 20" Cinema Display (M9177) 20"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM201W01)


Please Note that Dell Started to send some 2007 WFP with Samsung S-PVA (LTM201M1) panels without notice which caused quite a controversy, but you could distinguish the panel type from the serial number last letter:
Check here:
http://www.hardforum.com showthread.php?t=1111100


Dell 3007WFP 30"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM300W01)
Apple 30" Cinema Display (M9179) 30"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM300W01)



However the comparison between the Dell 24" and Apple 24" are completely different in that the Dell uses an S-PVA panel and the Apple probably (but not confirmed as yet) uses a H-IPS panel with LED backlighting.

Dell 2407WFP-HC 24"WS Samsung S-PVA (LTM240CS01)
Apple Alu 24" 24"WS LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU2-(SL)(B1))

The New Apple 24" Display's major shortcoming is the use of the proprietary Mini-DisplayPort.

Use these figures for comparison only, your actual usage may vary.:rolleyes:
 
sangosimo said:
apple is targeting a completely different market with theses monitors. Apple has based their accessory business on people that have more money than sense. A calibrated 2407 will perform just as well as a calibrated cinema display. Cinema displays are a purchase for aesthetics.
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I could not disagree with you more. Setting aside the 24" LED, the ACDs have given me better color accuracy out of the box. Still calibrated (as any wise person should do), it does have a slight advantage over my 20" Dell calibrated using the same colorimeter. While I believe the ACD's price point is a bit steep, I have found that the aesthetics is an added bonus. Having owned both ACDs and Dell monitors, I have found my ACD has cooperated a bit more than the Dell did. Now, if you really need something swift then Ezio it is.
 
Umbongo said:
This isn't a direct response to you personally, but everyone saying the same thing over and over.

Acer, ASUS, BenQ, Dell, Eizo, Hazro, HP, Hyundi, Iiyama, LaCie, Lenovo, LG, NEC, Philips, Samsung, Sun, Video Seven, Viewsonic. That's 18 companies that sell 24" displays, most sell more than 1. Including the previous generation of displays, which are often just as an acceptable choice, there are surely over fifty 24" displays available to people.

Why would Apple do the same thing as most of them and try compete in such a crowded, low margin, market? It doesn't make sense and that it is why they are selling a specialist item intended for a niche. Like most of Apple's hardware for the features you get it has competitive pricing, but if you only want some or don't value others then it seems overpriced. Apple can't make half a dozen displays that cater to all Mac owners and if someone can't find a 24" display that meets their criteria, well they probably need to find someone who can google.
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How many of them make high quality ips based 24 inches? I love the new 24 inch cinema display, but at the end of the day it's just a tool, arguably a tool you have to look at all day so aesthetics might make some sense. However seems like I can have the same quality for half the price these days, and I rather have people point me out to some serious competition. It's hard to justify the "georgeous" apple factor these days.., not to speak of the laughable sales black friday yesterday...
 
rva1 said:
I like the concept of docking to a larger screen. Do you need to keep the laptop open when docked OR can you close the lid and slide it out of the way, (which I would think makes more sense and wastes/takes up less desk space)?
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Like so...


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frabber said:
How many of them make high quality ips based 24 inches? I love the new 24 inch cinema display, but at the end of the day it's just a tool, arguably a tool you have to look at all day so aesthetics might make some sense. However seems like I can have the same quality for half the price these days, and I rather have people point me out to some serious competition. It's hard to justify the "georgeous" apple factor these days.., not to speak of the laughable sales black friday yesterday...
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To my knowledge five have 24" IPS offerings, all better options than Apple if display quality and value for money are considerations above simplicity. And of course most of the S-PVA options are better value, and several are going to be better quality.
 
rtheb said:
You will see that you are incorrect about some of the Dell Monitors in comparison to the Apple Cinema Displays:
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Oh, for God sake! How many times do I have to go through it with people on this forum. It's like banging your head against the wall.

THERE IS MORE TO A DISPLAY THAN A PANEL!!!!!

For a start, the rejection process is different for both companies. To quote Steve Jobs 'Other companies use the panels we throw away' - outside that there is the different components and different quality of backlight. Then there is build quality - plastic v aluminium.

Also, they don't always use phillips either. I've had displays from both Dell and Apple to use in a professional environment.

This display thing drives me nuts.
 
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