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I think that's why I hate apple pencil even more. There is no reason why apple couldn't have made it capatible with the ipad air 2. Useless pencil for a unnecessary tablet(ipad pro).

Wrong. The iPad Pro has a new display type that measures different pressures, giving a new layer of depth using the Pencil.
 
Wrong. The iPad Pro has a new display type that measures different pressures, giving a new layer of depth using the Pencil.

Apple didn't have to go the route with adding a different display. They could have made the pencil compatible with other ipad display.
 
Apple creating fake demand with low supply. At the price of the Pro the pencil should be free.
 
I think that's why I hate apple pencil even more. There is no reason why apple couldn't have made it capatible with the ipad air 2. Useless pencil for a unnecessary tablet(ipad pro).

PLEASE get informed about the technology inside the display of the iPad Pro and you will understand there is NO WAY Apple could have made the Pencil compatible with the Air 2. You'll just have to wait for the Air 3.
 
Apple didn't have to go the route with adding a different display. They could have made the pencil compatible with other ipad display.

But then the Pecil would have been nowhere near as good/precise; it would have been just another ordinary stylus and hence utterly pointless.
 
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Very first teaching lecturer back in the day made fun of Apple for selling 'socks' (for the old iPods).

Now they sell pencils. My how times change (and stay the same).
 
I would love to go back to about 2000 and tell everyone '...and in 2015, Apple shall sell a pencil. And it shall cost $99!'.

With that in mind, I would like to say that in about 2030, Apple shall sell a piece of string. And it shall cost $500.

It's not a real pencil.
 
$99 for the pencil....I suppose the good thing is after seeing this price, everything else is relatively cheaper. I used to think my Wacom replacement pen for $50 (for two) was a bit much.
 
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Wrong. The iPad Pro has a new display type that measures different pressures, giving a new layer of depth using the Pencil.

The display isn't pressure sensitive, the pencil is. The display difference is the iPad Pro display scans at 240 times per second when it detects the pencil is in use. That's why the pencil isn't backwards compatible.
 
They aren't pencils. They are styluses. You know, the thing Apple said we don't ever need.

It seems to me, these things should have been the easiest thing to manufacture. How they could be weeks behind in stock is beyond me.
 
All this kerfuffle over a pencil. (yes, i'm gonna keep up with the pencil jokes, because i can :p)

This will probably just start trickling all around, and users would be surprised to find "hey, its now available for order online"

Apple surprises us like that.
 
She's not, but she is responsible for the retail side, which is why the poster referred to her.

She would have a major responsibility for ensuring the smooth rollout of the Pencil in Apple Stores.

If they don't have any, then there isn't much she can do about it. Obviously Apple made the decision to release the iPad Pro before all the accessories were available. Since the accessories aren't required to use the iPad Pro, it's a justifiable decision.
 
I would love to go back to about 2000 and tell everyone '...and in 2015, Apple shall sell a pencil. And it shall cost $99!'.

With that in mind, I would like to say that in about 2030, Apple shall sell a piece of string. And it shall cost $500.
Back in 2000, people would've consider that cheap for Apple. Have you looked at prices back then?
 
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Well Pencil by 53 retails for 50-60 bucks so naturally Apple has put their premium pricing on their version.

There's no comparison between Apple's Pencil and 53's stylus. Accuracy, responsiveness, latency, and physical size. 53's is OK for consumer-level fooling around and an ok choice for many people whose needs are not demanding.

Apple's will appeal greatly to graphic artist professionals that make a living from their craft. $100 is an absolute bargain for the level of technology embedded in the pencil and its performance. Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't price it at $149.
 
There's no comparison between Apple's Pencil and 53's stylus. Accuracy, responsiveness, latency, and physical size. 53's is OK for consumer-level fooling around and an ok choice for many people whose needs are not demanding.

Apple's will appeal greatly to graphic artist professionals that make a living from their craft. $100 is an absolute bargain for the level of technology embedded in the pencil and its performance. Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't price it at $149.

Absolutely dead on! For those who create for a living, the capabilities of the Apple "Pencil" are worth every bit of $99. Tried the "Pencil" in store and my Wacom will now be gathering dust (or getting sold).
 
Apple creating fake demand with low supply. At the price of the Pro the pencil should be free.

It's always amazing when people say this. "Apple would rather not make money off you by not selling you an expensive add-on that you want."

It just goes to show that critical thinking isn't one of those things that people learn in school. Instead, people just repeat dreck that some random reporter came up with 20 years ago to explain toy shortages.
 
I haven't had the chance to try the Pencil yet but i own and use the Pencil by 53 and i've used it on the iPad Pro and it's really no different than a regular capacitive stylus now. The benefit it had was palm rejection, and accuracy. That is since not necessary. The iPad Pro screen has magic voodoo in it that now detects when someone places their palm on it and disregards that.

The Pencil adds depth, and tilt. But really the new capacitive screen design is the voodoo magic. Their ability to reject palms is better than any tablet i've used. Including Surface Pros and Galaxy Notes. Of which i've owned all of them.

By making the screen reject the palm as opposed to the pen. It gives it palm rejection 100% of the time which is awesome imo. No longer do you gently lift the pen and have random marks everywhere.
 
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Actually, I wasn't drawing with Photoshop; I was using Sketch. Maybe it's the implementation in that software but when I'd draw a simple swirl, the line would appear a few inches behind the Pencil. If I moved the Pencil slowly, the rendering would keep up. But for quick sketches, it was really laggy.
Adobe Photoshop Sketch? Or another app called sketch?
 
I think that's why I hate apple pencil even more. There is no reason why apple couldn't have made it capatible with the ipad air 2. Useless pencil for a unnecessary tablet(ipad pro).
To make the pencil accurate there are additional sensors underneath the screen to triangulate it. These sensors are not present in any other iPad or iPhone.

Other Stylus for iPhones and iPads basically just simulate a finger, and are limited by the grid of capasative sensors on the display.

It basically is the same sort of tech (just patented differently) than the Samsung Galaxy Note or Surface Pro use. You can't use the stylus for them on any regular touch screen.
 
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