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lol. We are not losing thunderbolt ports on the MBAs or MBPs. Let's come back to this discussion when the Skylake rMBP is released with Thunderbolt 3. This computer is designed for a purpose and Apple felt that Thunderbolt was not a necessary feature for the target market. The good news is that the TB3 port is also thinner, so it may find itself back on the 2nd gen Macbook, or it may not. Apple likes to differentiate their products in specific ways. Should all ports and all features be on all products?

You think the MBP and MBA line will be around forever? They're obviously heading towards a universal MacBook line here, in case you haven't noticed.

* You have not lost USB ports with this new Macbook. You have a shiny new USB-C port.

Adapter sold separately.

* USB to Ethernet adaptors exist and can be used with this product

Adapter sold separately.

* An optical drive is not a feature, it is a relic.

Why, because Apple said so? Businesses still use optical drives all the time. Drivers and utilities still come on CD's. ISO's are everywhere.

Now if you said floppy drives are relics, that's more the truth. But useful features don't become relics just because Apple told you they are.
 
I don't like the force touch thing. Sounds confusing, leaves you guessing what to do (double tap, single tap, force click, too many options). Personally, I prefer touchpads that don't click at all. Just tap on the touchpad. Works flawlessly on my $500 Dell.

sorry but the industry consensus has long been that apple's MacBooks have the best touchpad in the market, bar none. yes, that includes your dell.
 
If you'd read, you'd note that i said Apple had got rid of keyboard backlights once and thought better of it - they did, on the 2011 Macbook Air.

I hope they have the confidence to to the same here, and really radically rethink this machine and scrap the keyboard

I can "hate" on it pretty easily by having typed for thirty years and knowing that travel on a keyboard is non-negotiable, and anything less than the current Air isn't enough, and the uniformly negative reviews from the hands on so far suggest I'm right.

Oh that's right, they did remove the backlight with the 2011 Air. Misread the sentence :eek:
I'll hold reviews with a grain of salt until I actually get my hands on that keyboard. . . . then if I don't like it, I'll 'roast' it like a turkey :cool:
 
Come on folks, a little common sense please. Yes there will be users, potentially a lot of 'em, that need a larger array of ports or faster processors. If that's the case and you want to go Apple then you buy a MacBook Pro. And no, the MBP line isn't going anywhere, kindly calm down a bit if you wouldn't mind...

For the majority of users however the only port they really use on a regular basis is the power socket. It's remarkable how much user habits have changed in the last couple of years actually. USB sticks have been replaced with cloud services, mobile phones sync wirelessly (or via their own cloud service), heck even bluetooth headphones have come on to the point they can be happily used for music for most people. Even by the standards of IT that change has been astonishingly fast.

Same for performance really. These CPU's are going to work well for 'burst' tasks, less so for stuff that taxes them for long periods. But for most people that fits their use pattern perfectly. If it doesn't you're going to be much better off with a MBP.

Frankly I don't get the whinging (other than this being a new Apple product and it's therefore compulsory to complain on these here forums). Compared to the 11" air you lose a Thunderbolt port and the USB's but keep broadly similar CPU performance and gain a Retina screen as well as a 0.16kg weight reduction. There's going to be a *lot* of people looking to buy this machine and it'll deliver something that meets their needs. For the rest of us the current MBP line is still superb and once Intel get their act together the 15" will likely get a pretty rapid update as well.
 
Why, because Apple said so? Businesses still use optical drives all the time.
Yes and no. Many of Dell's business line laptops never had a CD drive at all - you had to connect an external one. (That was may have been included with the device)
 
You think the MBP and MBA line will be around forever? They're obviously heading towards a universal MacBook line here, in case you haven't noticed.



Adapter sold separately.



Adapter sold separately.



Why, because Apple said so? Businesses still use optical drives all the time. Drivers and utilities still come on CD's. ISO's are everywhere.

Now if you said floppy drives are relics, that's more the truth. But useful features don't become relics just because Apple told you they are.

Actually in my company (who employ around 60,000 people) we do not use the CD drives on our workstations. Can't remember the last time we did. Everything is done online nowadays.
 
Fair enough. So your complaint is that this machine doesn't offer Thunderbolt, which is reasonable. The rest of course is clearly moot.

Except that you now need to pay extra money for adapters and hubs that previously were standard across just about any computer in existence.

So yeah, you can get basic USB and ethernet capability, but it'll cost you.
 
Except that you now need to pay extra money for adapters and hubs that previously were standard across just about any computer in existence.

So yeah, you can get basic USB and ethernet capability, but it'll cost you.

Yeah, they should have increased the price and put an ethernet port in there, definitely.
 
But does it bend?

I wonder if it bends when you put in in your back pocket?
 
Tell me which feature is lost. There's nothing you can't do with this that you could do with another MacBook given the capabilities of USB Type C and adaptors, so there's no loss of functionality.

The company I work for has roughly 45 conference rooms each with a projector. Only a handful of those projectors have HDMI ports, so I how would I connect to the ones that don't?
 
Yeah, they should have increased the price and put an ethernet port in there, definitely.

Or just not made it so freekin' thin and kept ethernet, USB, Thunderbolt, and power ports present.

But, no. All in the name of being the thinnest laptop in existence. Because that's ultimately what matters.
 
They're not gonna use that 'layered battery' stuff with the current MBA and MBPs are they?
 
You think the MBP line will be around forever? They're obviously heading towards a universal MacBook line here, in case you haven't noticed.

Do you work at Apple to be able to make these statements with so much authority?

Adapter sold separately.

Yes, and? Has this discussion not happened enough since 2012? Do we really need to repeat it? You're still whining and buying Apple products? It's pretty clear by now that Apple does not like ports because somebody there believes they look ugly, or some other reason. It's time to accept it, or move on to another computer that comes with all of the 23 ports that you may need to use. Personally I prefer one, or two, ports that are flexible enough to use in different ways, than have a product with 23 ports, of which 20 I may never use. I do not begrudge people that need 23 ports and I don't spend my time on forums related to those computer makers and whine about their 23 ports.


Why, because Apple said so? Businesses still use optical drives all the time. Drivers and utilities still come on CD's. ISO's are everywhere.

The businesses that I work at do not use optical drives, so don't confuse your little world with everybody else's needs. It's really ironic that you mention ISOs.
 
1. Okay, I can accept that...esp since if I were connecting to an external I wouldn't mind using an adapter.

2. Lot of DVD's still being sold and rented. Not so crazy...external superdrive is acceptable but now incompatible without an adapter.

3. Huh?

4. I use a USB mouse, I have a USB printer. Sure, I could go buy an all new printer and bluetooth mouse...but that's just dumb.

5. You're a moron. Not everyone uses their iPhone as their only source of camera. I have a DSLR. Have a GoPro for video. Neither have wireless.


So, just buy an adapter. Most people rarely use those USB devices, so I would rather pop in an adapter for those things instead of cluttering up my computer with ports and making it more expensive/bulky for something I would be using rarely.
 
I really wanted one of these as the MacBook is the only non-Retina Apple product in my life, but it seems like that keyboard is a damning problem for it.

I love the classic "chiclet" keys, and if this strays too far from that model and makes it unusual to type with — then I'm out and will have to wait for the new model.
 
The company I work for has roughly 45 conference rooms each with a projector. Only a handful of those projectors have HDMI ports, so I how would I connect to the ones that don't?

With the USB-C to VGA connector. Seriously. You have asked nearly the same question at least once already. If you could just take the time to actually read the Apple's product pages on this new Macbook, then you would not need to keep repeating questions. Why is reading so hard?
 
The company I work for has roughly 45 conference rooms each with a projector. Only a handful of those projectors have HDMI ports, so I how would I connect to the ones that don't?

What's the interface on those projectors which another MacBook could connect to but this one can't?

Or just not made it so freekin' thin and kept ethernet, USB, Thunderbolt, and power ports present.

Oh! They already make that computer. Glad the problem is solved.

(Seriously, Apple should have announced a new MacBook today with ethernet, USB, thunderbolt etc. on it?)
 
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