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First Impressions of Photos for OS X: 'Vast Improvement' Over iPhoto
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What makes the modern iCloud such a poor cloud service? Echo chamber mentality?
Albums from iPad to Mac?
Here's what I'm curious about:
The main thing I use my Photos app on my iPad is for storing and organizing artistic references, such as artists that inspire me or photo references. I have these sorted into albums. When I tried to import these to my Mac to back it up, iPhoto didn't keep the organization, which made a massive project for me that I don't think worked.
So, here's what I'm curious about and I don't know if anyone here will be able to answer.
1-Will I be able to import/export Albums from the new Photos app?
2-Will I need to use iCloud Photo Library to do so (as the descriptions do seem to indicate that to be the case) or will I be able to do it over USB?
Thanks any/everyone who can answer that. This has been a major pain for me and if I could resolve it, that would be amazing!
Here's what I'm curious about:
The main thing I use my Photos app on my iPad is for storing and organizing artistic references, such as artists that inspire me or photo references. I have these sorted into albums. When I tried to import these to my Mac to back it up, iPhoto didn't keep the organization, which made a massive project for me that I don't think worked.
So, here's what I'm curious about and I don't know if anyone here will be able to answer.
1-Will I be able to import/export Albums from the new Photos app?
2-Will I need to use iCloud Photo Library to do so (as the descriptions do seem to indicate that to be the case) or will I be able to do it over USB?
Thanks any/everyone who can answer that. This has been a major pain for me and if I could resolve it, that would be amazing!
Did they not return Albums to the iOS Photos app already? I don't have iOS 8 to be an expert on the subject.
It's still a beta in a beta OS X release. Please file a bug report to make sure Apple knows about this and fix it in time.
iCloud works perfectly when it works, it always has. The problem with iCloud is that when you finally do have an issue, it goes downhill from there.
Yes, Apple made some improvements with the latest iCloud versions (Yosemite, iOS 8) but there are still issues with it and once you get an issue, good luck resolving it quickly, you'll spend hours on the phone with iCloud team trying to figure it out.
Some users had to kill their AppleID and create a new one to get rid of the issues.
Email and music work great with icloud. Consistently losing photos is not handling with aplomb. Inconsistent, unreliable garbage. iphotos was poorly integrated and never mind the awful icloud software on windows. I gave up and use an alternative cloud storage system and my own photo management system pointing back to my server. Both of these options also handle video.
Hopefully photos for OSX will improve the handling of network stored photos.
Can you still pick an external editor like Photoshop for more advanced edits? What about metadata adjustment for simple things like date/time?
One thing to keep in mind is that this is a first version of Photos for OS X (as well as iOS and iCloud.com). Like the recent version of iWorks, Apple can now focus on bringing more feature updates over time to iCloud Photo Library, iCloud.com, Photos for Mac, and for iOS at the same time.
It may be barebone for now but there is hope that it'll get more useful as Apple doesn't have to focus on the old codebase of Aperture and iPhotos.
Hopefully, with extensions for Photos, it could get more powerful as well. Although, I might have mis-read this and Apple may have scrapped this support. There were rumors that Photos will support extensions from other apps to make it more useful. I don't see much news about it here.
It may be barebone for now but there is hope that it'll get more useful as Apple doesn't have to focus on the old codebase of Aperture and iPhotos.
Hopefully, with extensions for Photos, it could get more powerful as well. Although, I might have mis-read this and Apple may have scrapped this support. There were rumors that Photos will support extensions from other apps to make it more useful. I don't see much news about it here.
So, it's just like the iPhone, for those of us that actually paid for the software, were getting screwed out of it....
Maybe this is the case. However, from the outset this software seems highly dependent on iCloud for full functionality.
The basic truth is that I do not trust iCloud with my photos. Music? Sure. Phone contacts, syncing app preferences? Why not. But my photos?
This is the most precious data I have. Nothing else even comes close. My music collection is replaceable. Photos are not.
Without this trust, this software becomes nearly useless. I can use it for "messing around" but not to seriously store my photos. The approach seems to be putting the "master copy" on iCloud. NO WAY! The master copy needs to be on the computer. Every other copy should be a backup of it.
That's the fundamental problem for me, and I'm sure many others. We're not willing to risk our photos; they are too precious. If I had to lose ALL my personal data except ONE kind, I'd pick photos to be that exception.
The basic truth is that I do not trust iCloud with my photos. Music? Sure. Phone contacts, syncing app preferences? Why not. But my photos?
This is the most precious data I have. Nothing else even comes close. My music collection is replaceable. Photos are not.
Without this trust, this software becomes nearly useless. I can use it for "messing around" but not to seriously store my photos. The approach seems to be putting the "master copy" on iCloud. NO WAY! The master copy needs to be on the computer. Every other copy should be a backup of it.
That's the fundamental problem for me, and I'm sure many others. We're not willing to risk our photos; they are too precious. If I had to lose ALL my personal data except ONE kind, I'd pick photos to be that exception.
I usually let two beta releases go through before I put in a bug report unless it seriously affects the system. This being beta 1, I'll let it slide. Maybe it's indexing or syncing or doing something else. It could be design.
They basically fixed iPhoto into what its supposed to be (a functional program) and then axed aperture
No curves.No stacks. No granular ratings. No roundtrip external editor. Single library. No healing. Probably have to buy plugins for real editing, which will be low quality, since the demand for high quality plugins was for Lightroom.
Some of this might be nice for amateurs like myself
This program is great news for many users, but not for Aperture users or people who like to do lots of editing. I was holding onto hope that Apple wasn't abadoning pro users..but I guess they are. Which is too bad, because the halo effect of real pros/creatives using the software was very nice. Now it'll just be selfies to the hilt.
Still not sure what I am going to do...might do all my organizing in Photos, dump my lower rated photos/curate more, share my albums via iCloud and keep files local, and edit in pixelmator/acorn. I really don't want to move to Lightroom.
No curves.No stacks. No granular ratings. No roundtrip external editor. Single library. No healing. Probably have to buy plugins for real editing, which will be low quality, since the demand for high quality plugins was for Lightroom.
Some of this might be nice for amateurs like myself
This program is great news for many users, but not for Aperture users or people who like to do lots of editing. I was holding onto hope that Apple wasn't abadoning pro users..but I guess they are. Which is too bad, because the halo effect of real pros/creatives using the software was very nice. Now it'll just be selfies to the hilt.
Still not sure what I am going to do...might do all my organizing in Photos, dump my lower rated photos/curate more, share my albums via iCloud and keep files local, and edit in pixelmator/acorn. I really don't want to move to Lightroom.
I'm sorry, I am thinking of iPhoto, which was not free when I obtained it, I had to pay for both the Mac and iPhone version, and the iPhone version does not work on iOS8....
Oh bloody great. How about for once, Apple replaces a program with a new program that has ALL OF THE OLD FEATURES. Stop making us downgrade.
The iPhoto Fiasco on the iPad with iOS 8 has already been bad enough. i can no longer edit my photos, do projects or organise my photos and the alternatives either cost money or are not appealing.
I'm so glad I've spent years organising my photos into events on iPhoto, and tagging stuff to find that Apple thinks thats irrelevant. How bloody hard is it to carry over features.
The loss of videos in Photos is also damn annoying. Yes I know I can keep using iPhoto past when Photos is released, but at some point I will no longer be able to do so. They should have kept iPhoto and redesigned it as Photos X or something the prosumer version for people who want to do more than upload iPhone selfies to Facebook.
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I paid for both iPhoto on the Mac ( now free) and also iPhoto on iOS which Apple has decided to withhold from us in iOS 8 because 'it knows best'.
The iPhoto Fiasco on the iPad with iOS 8 has already been bad enough. i can no longer edit my photos, do projects or organise my photos and the alternatives either cost money or are not appealing.
I'm so glad I've spent years organising my photos into events on iPhoto, and tagging stuff to find that Apple thinks thats irrelevant. How bloody hard is it to carry over features.
The loss of videos in Photos is also damn annoying. Yes I know I can keep using iPhoto past when Photos is released, but at some point I will no longer be able to do so. They should have kept iPhoto and redesigned it as Photos X or something the prosumer version for people who want to do more than upload iPhone selfies to Facebook.
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I paid for both iPhoto on the Mac ( now free) and also iPhoto on iOS which Apple has decided to withhold from us in iOS 8 because 'it knows best'.
Pay to Sync for Most Users - Stop Sugar Coating the Benefits
All these articles seem to express how great the new Photos app is. The truth is that for the large majority of people who would want to use it - they will be now forced to pay a monthly fee to sync their photos via iCloud.
Apple only provides 5 GB of free cloud storage. I don't know anyone who has 5GB or less of iPhotos storage.
While I am a fan of most Apple technologies - I am not a fan of having to pay a monthly forever just to sync my photos to my other devices.
Please change the headlines to these glowing reviews to "Photos Will Require Monthly Subscription for 99% of Users for Syncing Photos"
All these articles seem to express how great the new Photos app is. The truth is that for the large majority of people who would want to use it - they will be now forced to pay a monthly fee to sync their photos via iCloud.
Apple only provides 5 GB of free cloud storage. I don't know anyone who has 5GB or less of iPhotos storage.
While I am a fan of most Apple technologies - I am not a fan of having to pay a monthly forever just to sync my photos to my other devices.
Please change the headlines to these glowing reviews to "Photos Will Require Monthly Subscription for 99% of Users for Syncing Photos"
Where is your master copy now and how does it get there?
I think the "master copy" can be determined by how you approach the system.
Consider your Mac to be the master copy, since it can house full resolutions of all your photos. Back it up using Time Machine or whatever backup procedure you choose. Then consider iCloud as just the transit system to sync all your devices.
This approach is more difficult if your Mac is a laptop that isn't on all the time. For me, I have an iMac and I'm hoping it will sync in the background so that just about any photo I take will be synced in minutes, and backed up in no more than an hour (standard Time Machine settings).
It absolutely is dependent on iCloud, that's the whole point of calling it iCloud Photo Library. For the mass public, this is perfect for them but it WILL not please everyone, especially those who doesn't want the cloud storage. For these people, you can use Adobe's Lightroom or find a different app.
The fact of the matter is, Apple does not tailor to people like you. They tailor to the mass public that does not care about where the master copy is, as long as it is backed up and in the cloud.
For many, the secure place is in the cloud. Majority of users do not back up their data, do not even think about doing 3 backups (two local, one remote) and so on. For these people, the safest place is in the cloud where Apple can back up multiple times and store in different data centers to ensure one data center going down does not lose the photos for good. For these type of users, they may only have one iOS device and not use any computers. They lose that device or lose their sole computer with no backups, iCloud Photo Library will still have their photos.
Really? More so than iMovie? I never found iPhoto partuicularly intuitive, but that's nothing compared to the incredibly frustrating and useless iMovie.