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First Impressions Roundup: iPhone SE and 9.7" iPad Pro
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I don't think Apple ever intended on making a brand new 4' iPhone, just upgrading the 5s to be honest.
You meaaaaaan... like they did with the iPad 2 compared to the iPad? And the iPad 3 as compared to the iPad 2? And the iPad Air as compared to the iPad 3? And the iPad Air 2 as compared to the iPad Air 1?
Oh wait... never mind.
By a whooping 50 euros!
No since it's not October 2014 anymore. But it's a good time to already own an iPad Air 2.
I'm pretty sure people on this forum wanted a 4'' phone. 'Don't make it thinner, just improve the battery!'
Well, there you go. With A9 and Apple Pay, too.
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If you've got a 4 inch iPhone, it's an upgrade.
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Before the event, I wondered the same. But then Apple released good products. Nothing revolutionary, but then it was a tiny event and only an hour long.
Just like when they held events to upgrade iPods. Nothing world changing, but good products.
Well, there you go. With A9 and Apple Pay, too.
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If you've got a 4 inch iPhone, it's an upgrade.
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Before the event, I wondered the same. But then Apple released good products. Nothing revolutionary, but then it was a tiny event and only an hour long.
Just like when they held events to upgrade iPods. Nothing world changing, but good products.
I don't get all the reactions here. Why would Apple have a new design (5C wasn't that great) when they are not launching a flagship phone. I have an Iphone 5 and I love the design, now I can upgrade with the same design and amazing specs for that price!
People need to calm down.
We got a great update with the 9.7 inch iPad. I don' t know what people were expecting. It is still a great design, a bit updated, it is still very portable and got some serious new upgraded hw. If it had been offered in 16gb for 499, and 64 for 599, no one would complain.
Now, it is 599 for 32gb , and it is offering 4g/LTE with all models, contrary what most people expected.
And about price moaners: Apple offers a high end 4 inch iPhone for 399. It has never been so cheap.
And now people moan about the old design.
Apple customers/enthusiasts are just the most difficult type of people.
We got a great update with the 9.7 inch iPad. I don' t know what people were expecting. It is still a great design, a bit updated, it is still very portable and got some serious new upgraded hw. If it had been offered in 16gb for 499, and 64 for 599, no one would complain.
Now, it is 599 for 32gb , and it is offering 4g/LTE with all models, contrary what most people expected.
And about price moaners: Apple offers a high end 4 inch iPhone for 399. It has never been so cheap.
And now people moan about the old design.
Apple customers/enthusiasts are just the most difficult type of people.
This. I was hoping the SE would be the phone to make me switch back to Apple (I still use apple desktop, but left the mobile work for better choices a few years ago).
The SE does tick a lot of boxes, but their is no doubt that a 4.5 or 4.7 screen could be worked into the smaller form factor.
Of course, with Apple releasing the SE, the main android manufacturers will now look to make compact versions again. It will be interesting to see how a Galaxy S7 Edge Mini might pan out.
He only appears at keynotes when there is a brand new design for him to introduce, yesterday's updates were all spec bumps in similar cases to previous models.
As someone who's been hoping against hope for the last two years that Apple would eventually release another 4" iPhone, I'm going to feel compelled to buy this if only to show them that there's still demand for the form factor. But TBH I'm pretty unimpressed.
For my own sake I'll be upgrading almost exclusively because the 16GB of storage on my 5s is no longer sufficient, and I'd been holding out because no way was I spending $500+ for a phone exactly like my current one but containing a $75 instead of a $10 flash card.
The SE makes that choice marginally less painful, but still not obvious. What's new? Processor; Siri; Apple Pay; a slight battery life bump; a slightly better camera. Maybe more RAM (TBD).
Processor? Meh. The 5s has never seemed slow to me. It's not like I'm editing videos on it. A RAM upgrade might not hurt - I'm sure next year's OS and apps will demand it.
Battery life? Upgrading to iOS 9 doubled my rate of battery draw. This isn't going to make up for that.
Camera? Meh. More megapixels aren't going to improve my scans of receipts or casual snapshots of friends and family. Maybe a front camera that didn't suck?
Siri? One of the first things I turn off when configuring the phone after an OS upgrade.
Apple Pay? Haven't ever wished I had it. Maybe I'll find it compelling, but I'm more than happy to live without it.
And on principle, I'm frustrated that Apple is looking at those of us with small hands and small (but metaphorically deep) pockets as the low end of the market. I bought a flagship phone last time around. I want a flagship-specced phone again, in a size I can use, and if they made one I'd gladly pay the extra $300 for it.
I was voting my wallet by holding out for a new 4" phone but there's no option in the current lineup to use my money to tell apple that I want a top of the line 4" phone.
In short, this phone is fine but offers very little in the way of upgrade. If Verizon were still offering me a free iPhone every two years, I'd pick this in a second. If I had confidence that Apple would keep making 4" phones if we didn't all buy, I might hold out for another year or something that feels more like a major upgrade. But it's not an easy choice to shell out $500 for.
For my own sake I'll be upgrading almost exclusively because the 16GB of storage on my 5s is no longer sufficient, and I'd been holding out because no way was I spending $500+ for a phone exactly like my current one but containing a $75 instead of a $10 flash card.
The SE makes that choice marginally less painful, but still not obvious. What's new? Processor; Siri; Apple Pay; a slight battery life bump; a slightly better camera. Maybe more RAM (TBD).
Processor? Meh. The 5s has never seemed slow to me. It's not like I'm editing videos on it. A RAM upgrade might not hurt - I'm sure next year's OS and apps will demand it.
Battery life? Upgrading to iOS 9 doubled my rate of battery draw. This isn't going to make up for that.
Camera? Meh. More megapixels aren't going to improve my scans of receipts or casual snapshots of friends and family. Maybe a front camera that didn't suck?
Siri? One of the first things I turn off when configuring the phone after an OS upgrade.
Apple Pay? Haven't ever wished I had it. Maybe I'll find it compelling, but I'm more than happy to live without it.
And on principle, I'm frustrated that Apple is looking at those of us with small hands and small (but metaphorically deep) pockets as the low end of the market. I bought a flagship phone last time around. I want a flagship-specced phone again, in a size I can use, and if they made one I'd gladly pay the extra $300 for it.
I was voting my wallet by holding out for a new 4" phone but there's no option in the current lineup to use my money to tell apple that I want a top of the line 4" phone.
In short, this phone is fine but offers very little in the way of upgrade. If Verizon were still offering me a free iPhone every two years, I'd pick this in a second. If I had confidence that Apple would keep making 4" phones if we didn't all buy, I might hold out for another year or something that feels more like a major upgrade. But it's not an easy choice to shell out $500 for.
Maybe not expecting, but hoping for full feature parity with the (6 month old by the time his ships) 6s, at a similar price point to that phone. People with small hands want top of the line phones too. But I realize that's a difficult concept to grasp, especially for Apple.
But a 4" iPhone 7 at the same specs and price point as the 4.7" iPhone 7 wouldn't.
Because "most of the current gen internals" might be a compelling entry level phone but it's not a compelling upgrade from the 5s at any price.
Because I'd be happy to pay iPhone 6s prices for all of the current gen internals in a form factor that won't fall out of my hand if I dare to try to tap anywhere on the left half of the screen.
Because I'm frustrated at being relegated to the cheap option with the trailing technology just because my hands are small.
What a disappointing year for Apple. I'm no fan of the iPhone SE but I do understand many people love to be able to use a one handed device. The problem is it's the same device in dimensions with the exception of improved internals.
Secondly the iPad Pro has been a complete failure as far as I'm concerned. Yes there's a market for the iPad Pro maybe towards people who draw for a living or do artwork. But apart from that it certainly won't benefit most people, Graphic Designers, Web Designers etc can't really take advantage of an iPad as of yet. And frankly most professionals would opt for real Adobe Applications or a Surface Pro.
We just don't have the apps required to use an iPad Pro as a work device. This fantasy that Apple's seeking by thinking it'll replace the Laptop is not realistic If it's being targeted towards "Pro" users. A professional user needs a trackpad, keyboard, mouse & an app ecosystem that isn't made for basic tasks.
The iPad Pro barely has the storage necessary to do serious tasks, and lacks real multi-tasking. Sure the multi-tasking is excellent for a tablet but not for a real computer. Not only that why would anyone really invest the money over a laptop with a keyboard that's easier to type on, always attached and portable? We have the Macbook 12" and Macbook Air which are fairly light weight and portable.
Secondly the iPad Pro has been a complete failure as far as I'm concerned. Yes there's a market for the iPad Pro maybe towards people who draw for a living or do artwork. But apart from that it certainly won't benefit most people, Graphic Designers, Web Designers etc can't really take advantage of an iPad as of yet. And frankly most professionals would opt for real Adobe Applications or a Surface Pro.
We just don't have the apps required to use an iPad Pro as a work device. This fantasy that Apple's seeking by thinking it'll replace the Laptop is not realistic If it's being targeted towards "Pro" users. A professional user needs a trackpad, keyboard, mouse & an app ecosystem that isn't made for basic tasks.
The iPad Pro barely has the storage necessary to do serious tasks, and lacks real multi-tasking. Sure the multi-tasking is excellent for a tablet but not for a real computer. Not only that why would anyone really invest the money over a laptop with a keyboard that's easier to type on, always attached and portable? We have the Macbook 12" and Macbook Air which are fairly light weight and portable.
I have to agree... although I think they introduced some nice products that I'm sure will help sales, it was pretty "ho-hum" in the "wow" department. In fact, many of the presentations didn't seem as polished as in the past. However, I would expect that we're going to see a more aggressive WWDC and a fall line-up.
We need to see new MacBooks very soon, iPhone 7 in the fall and a new Apple Watch before the end of the year. It would be really nice if they tossed in something else to really "wow" consumers... of course, that could be something in software or services (like new programing for Apple TV) that could really make things exciting.
Maybe, Apple has been expected excessively for way too long? Or now Apple cannot become even better than what it was in 2007?
honestly who cares about the naming scheme -- lets look at the form factor and the specs... its a powerhouse iPhone...
I never was a fan of the bigger sizes, use a ipad or macbook if you want bigger screen. Best of all 250$ cheaper than 6s... thats amazing news.
I think iPhone 5SE will do so well in selling that 5.5 and 4.7 will be much less purchased in years to come.
I never was a fan of the bigger sizes, use a ipad or macbook if you want bigger screen. Best of all 250$ cheaper than 6s... thats amazing news.
I think iPhone 5SE will do so well in selling that 5.5 and 4.7 will be much less purchased in years to come.
I think most people that nitpick about what "pro" means end up buying one anyway, Apple wins
Nope. The iPhone SE has the same fingerprint sensor as the iPhone 5s. There have only been two generations of Touch ID. The first-gen in the iPhone 5s and iPhone 6/6 Plus and the second-gen in the iPhone 6s/6s Plus.
This isn't really a bad thing either as some people still think the second-gen of Touch ID is too fast anyway.
I may have to get one. My favourite iPhone was the 5/5s in terms of design. Throw in the specs for the current 6s and the rose gold colour and I'm in love.
Now....if they were ever to sell an iPhone Plus that's designed like the SE I'd just die from happiness....that'd be it for me. Poke me with a fork, I'd be done.
Now....if they were ever to sell an iPhone Plus that's designed like the SE I'd just die from happiness....that'd be it for me. Poke me with a fork, I'd be done.
How can you be disappointed? The battery life in this thing will be really good as it has less pixels to push through. It has the same performance as the iPhone 6s. You can expect a non-flagship model to outperform the iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus. Huh, people are way to hard to please nowadays.