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Any pictures from pocket- to show the black iPhone problem you guys are talking about ?

Or video?

Sadly it's not just the black phone. The white alu-min-um is matte, and it supposedly shows brassing after light use. Which looks worse is a matter of taste (or lack of taste).

Oh well, I guess we are forced to put a nasty case on our elegant phone.
 
Waiting for pictures made by users. Schould i keep the 4s and buy a Sony nex-5n(r) or just buy an iPhone 5 when the camera is that good? I don't like to carry a camera when i'm on a holiday
 
I have a 3GS too and I think were gonna be the happiest ! Lol were gonna see such in a difference in speed ,power , camera, screen crispness (retina) I CAN'T WAIT !!!! ** 3GS hold on ...... 3 more days and you can rest** :)

I have longer to wait, need a new Mac to sync as my G5 will no longer support the iTunes update required for the iPhone 5. But looking at the wait times for the 5 I'm not sure what will come first, an iMac update or the new iPhone.
 
Sadly it's not just the black phone. The white alu-min-um is matte, and it supposedly shows brassing after light use. Which looks worse is a matter of taste (or lack of taste).

Oh well, I guess we are forced to put a nasty case on our elegant phone.

Where did you see the pics?

I wanna see
 
Here. Picture is not great, will get more from my friend, i don't have phone yet. Is supposedly gets bad around buttons, and if place on table back wears off fast.

Back glass must not have oleophobic coatings b/c fingerprints are hard to get off there? Who knows. Anways, will have more infos soon.

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Chamfer-gate!

I, too, am nervous about this. However, I know that anodizing aluminum is a chemical process, rather than a "paint" or a "stain." I feel like this wouldn't be a non-issue, but I am wondering... why did Pocket-Lint not include photos of the "worn" edges?

Like a good pair of jeans, the iPhone takes on a patina over time that reflects the individuality of the owner.

I buy my luggage at the overstock/seconds store (or the KIRF stores in China), because I know it will be baggage-handled by gorillas. I watched out the windows, and if a suitcase didn't bounce twice on the conveyor belt, they dragged it back and tossed it again.

I have no illusions that my phone will stay pristine after I carry it in my pocket with my car keys.
 
Like a good pair of jeans, the iPhone takes on a patina over time that reflects the individuality of the owner.

I buy my luggage at the overstock/seconds store (or the KIRF stores in China), because I know it will be baggage-handled by gorillas. I watched out the windows, and if a suitcase didn't bounce twice on the conveyor belt, they dragged it back and tossed it again.

I have no illusions that my phone will stay pristine after I carry it in my pocket with my car keys.

I take care of my stuff, and I never put a phone in a pocket with coins/keys/etc.
Both my 4 and 4s were "as new" after a full year of use, sans case.

If the finish is starting to wear off the 5's after a few days of normal use, as one of the reviews suggests... that is a major blunder on Apple's part. Hopefully that's not common.
 
Why is the Lightning connector USB 2.0 and not 3.0?

More importantly, will they be able to make it 3.0 later on, or are we stuck with USB 2.0 for a decade...

The connector is just cables. What matters is the electronics inside the iPhone that handles the signals coming through the cables, and that can be upgraded in future iPhone releases. Apple said this connector is going to be used for a very long time. Like MacOS X, which is now out for more than ten years and there is no end in sight. I'd say it's planned for at least 20 years. So you can be sure that it will carry something other than USB 3.0 one day.


Like a good pair of jeans, the iPhone takes on a patina over time that reflects the individuality of the owner.

My wife uses our white MacBook (May 2006). I offered to clean it, and she flatly refused. Exactly for the reason that you are saying.
 
I take care of my stuff, and I never put a phone in a pocket with coins/keys/etc.
Both my 4 and 4s were "as new" after a full year of use, sans case.

If the finish is starting to wear off the 5's after a few days of normal use, as one of the reviews suggests... that is a major blunder on Apple's part. Hopefully that's not common.

Agreed. However, we have only seen one report from Pocket-Lint so far (though I tend to trust them as far as reviews go). I don't really count photos posted in forums as evidence as we have no idea of the phone's (or the owner's) history. If reports start showing up in the Apple discussion forums and other reviews, then we know there's a real problem.

I image some people may think that it's a bit much to whinge about a few scratches, but I happen to think that's a strength of the Apple customer community; they'll give Apple hell over the smallest detail, forcing the company to fix it.

Every time I see the Android community screaming on about 'iSheep', I think, "You really have no idea, do you?"

I'd hate to have iPhone users as customers: "My phone has a scratch on the edge! That sucks! I'm out!"

It's probably the customer base's unwillingness to compromise that keeps Apple at the top of the customer satisfaction tables.

Just a random thought. Off-topic. Sorry.
 
The wearing issue is a bit annoying - that's one of the reasons I love the glass of the 4S, it hardly shows any wearing at all. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the reviewers are being hyper sensitive to any wearing. The images on the Pocket Lint review (the only one that seems to mention it) don't seem to show much damage.

I'll consider getting a case for the 5 but I'd much rather not do that. We'll see what happens.
 
I take care of my stuff, and I never put a phone in a pocket with coins/keys/etc.
Both my 4 and 4s were "as new" after a full year of use, sans case.

If the finish is starting to wear off the 5's after a few days of normal use, as one of the reviews suggests... that is a major blunder on Apple's part. Hopefully that's not common.

I'm guessing I'll be happier with my iPhone 5 than you would be.
 
This review scares me a bit, having bought the black one.. What do you guys think?

Pocket-Lint
Ditching the glass back and reducing the thickness of the glass panel on the front has affected the design of the metal band around the edge of the iPhone. It is now chamfered and while that looks pretty, we've already noticed that on the black model the edge has started to wear, revealing the shiny silver aluminium metal underneath the "slate" coloured coating and, indeed, we've witnessed it on two separate models, ruling out a fluke manufacturing error.

These small scuffs will catch the light and make the phone look visibly wor
n. We suspect that it won't be as noticeable on the white model because the metal edging is silver, so that's worth bearing in mind when you come to order your colour choice.

Edit: source: http://gizmodo.com/5944411/iphone-5-meta+review-a-better-iphone-in-every-way
I share your concern. I'm surprised no one else has commented on this. I was leaning towards the black this time, but that may have made up my mind to go for the white.
 
I'm guessing I'll be happier with my iPhone 5 than you would be.

...ok? Maybe

I guess I'll see in a few days how happy I am with mine, but if the finish starts flaking off a $700 (unlocked, off contract) phone after a few days, I definitely won't be happy. It would take some serious rose coloured glasses to brush that off as a minor flaw.


That said, I should keep in mind that only one site is talking about this, and they only had 2 phones to look at.... This could very well be a complete non issue.
 
The wearing issue is a bit annoying - that's one of the reasons I love the glass of the 4S, it hardly shows any wearing at all. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the reviewers are being hyper sensitive to any wearing. The images on the Pocket Lint review (the only one that seems to mention it) don't seem to show much damage.

I'll consider getting a case for the 5 but I'd much rather not do that. We'll see what happens.

I think we need to see more reviews before knowing if this is a problem or not. So far of all the early reviews only one mentions anything. But I'm sure there will be OCD fans finding all sorts of things (real or imaginary). :)
 
I take care of my stuff, and I never put a phone in a pocket with coins/keys/etc.
Both my 4 and 4s were "as new" after a full year of use, sans case.

If the finish is starting to wear off the 5's after a few days of normal use, as one of the reviews suggests... that is a major blunder on Apple's part. Hopefully that's not common.

Well, the first good sign is the fact that only one review mentioned it. If many other reviews start bringing this up, not only will I be happy that I got white, but at that point it will be a major mess up on Apple's part. However, I still support the move to a normal type back instead of all glass like the 4 and 4s. These just created another huge blemish for users that dropped theirs and cracked the entire back where on other materials it may have simply left a dent or scratch.
 
I think we need to see more reviews before knowing if this is a problem or not. So far of all the early reviews only one mentions anything. But I'm sure there will be OCD fans finding all sorts of things (real or imaginary). :)

Indeed - it's a minor issue if it is one at all. Any metal phone will get scratched. Metal scratches! I'm very careful with my phones (with all my gadgets as it happens) and I'm sure that there will be cases I can use if I feel the need. I suspect, also, some enterprising sorts will offer services to re-anodize the cases if they get banged up.
 
Although a nice upgrade over my 4S, 5 seems quite predictable.

However, there was a comment in the article that the battery would last at most a day with the average user. Ummmmm, my 4S lasts at least 2 full days with me using it for a few calls and tons of email/web surfing on my WIFI.

If I bought the 5 and it only lasted 24 hours or less, I'd return it immediately.

Anyone else know more details on the battery life besides what Apple claims/promises?

I charge my 4S twice a day! And I have had the handset changed twice already because of other reasons and the battery life has remained the same. But then again I'm always on Wifi/3G browsing the web, iMessaging, twitter, facebook, etc.
 
"On our standard battery rundown test, in which we loop a video with LTE and WiFi enabled and social accounts pinging at regular intervals, the iPhone 5 managed a hugely impressive 11 hours and 15 minutes. That's just 10 minutes shy of the Motorola Droid RAZR Maxx."

-Engadget

True. But since the Droid RAZR Maxx is 29% heavier and 45% bigger in physical volume than iPhone 5 you would probably expect better battery life.
 
"It’s just too bad about that connector change. Doesn’t Apple worry about losing customer loyalty and sales?"

Wow what a stupid comment. Apple has changed their connector less than any other manufacturer yet they get this kind of grief over it. Pathetic.

How incredibly stupid of you. That point is made in the context of a huge ecosystem of appliances that make use of the previous plug, one of the advantages of the iPhone/iPod. This advantage is - for now - less so. Your comparison with other phones, where this isn't an argument, is not compelling.
 
Indeed - it's a minor issue if it is one at all. Any metal phone will get scratched. Metal scratches! I'm very careful with my phones (with all my gadgets as it happens) and I'm sure that there will be cases I can use if I feel the need. I suspect, also, some enterprising sorts will offer services to re-anodize the cases if they get banged up.
If it easily wears or scratches that's not good of course, but starting "scuff gate" based on one review is a bit much. I prefer to wait until the general public gets their hands on it and starts using it.
 
"On our standard battery rundown test, in which we loop a video with LTE and WiFi enabled and social accounts pinging at regular intervals, the iPhone 5 managed a hugely impressive 11 hours and 15 minutes. That's just 10 minutes shy of the Motorola Droid RAZR Maxx."

-Engadget

True. But since the Droid RAZR Maxx is 29% heavier and 45% bigger in physical volume than iPhone 5 you would probably expect better battery life.
 
If it easily wears or scratches that's not good of course, but starting "scuff gate" based on one review is a bit much. I prefer to wait until the general public gets their hands on it and starts using it.

Agreed. Keep calm and carry on.
 
Gruber's review is up: http://daringfireball.net/2012/09/iphone_5

"Is it worth devoting the first 750 or so words of this piece to the iPhone 5’s surface appeal? I don’t know how else to convey the niceness of this thing. This iPhone 5 review unit is the single nicest object in my possession. I own things that cost and remain worth more (e.g. my car). But I own nothing this nice. It sounds hyperbolic to put it that way, but I offer this observation with no exaggeration."
 
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