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First iPhone 8, Apple TV 4K, and Apple Watch Series 3 Orders Begin Shipping Out to Customers

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TheShadowKnows! said:
ASSUMPTION:
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TheShadowKnows! said:
Both, iPhone and AW3.LTE are connected to the cellular carrier (i.e. show the carrier's strength signal):
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This is an assumption. It could be that the watch is NOT attached to a tower when it knows that it is currently connected to its master phone. In this case it could save battery by not making unneeded "check ins" and use the phone for this service (like it can also do for GPS and other off loaded services). The LTE watch may only take on an active connection when its host cannot be connected to. We may never know, anyone got a sting ray device to test is out? ;-)

The watch and phone do not share the same number. They are each provisioned as their own and use NumberSync (or whatever ATT/V/TM calls their particular service) to make it look like they are sharing a number. So although you have two devices, they are networked together to be one. Given that, I would assume that they work just like the existing watched, iPads, and Macs. When I get a call, they all ring. No reason to think this would be different unless I changed by preferences. I'd almost promise that you could not make independent calls on each. Unless once call was your typical phone call and the other some VOIP type service like Team speak of Skype or something.
 
TheShadowKnows! said:
Out of topic, RE: Apple Watch 3 LTE (AW3.LTE). [Do understand the pre-requisites. But my questions are about behavior]

ASSUMPTION:
Both, iPhone and AW3.LTE are connected to the cellular carrier (i.e. show the carrier's strength signal):

QUESTIONS:
1. For Incoming calls:
1a. Both, iPhone and AW3.LTE "ring"? OR
1b. Only one "rings"? What determines the priority order?
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2. For Outgoing calls:
2a. Both, iPhone and AW3.LTE can dial out, independently (to distinct called numbers)? OR
2b. Only one can be active at one time?
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No clue how a subscriber's shared calling number is virtualized and rendered bidirectionally on the carrier.
[If this has been answered before, can you provide a link?]
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I had one of the Samsung phone watches, the Gear S2. For that model when your phone was in range of the watch, the phone did all the work. You could still answer and make calls with the watch, but it did it through the phone.

If the watch can't detect the phone, then your carrier "detects" this, and any phone calls to your cell phone's number are diverted to the watch. AT&T calls it "NumberSync". The watch still has it's own phone number, but once NumberSync is on, your cell phone and watch share the phone's number.

I assume Apple will work the same way?
 
PickUrPoison said:
Though lower demand is one explanation, it's not necessarily the correct one; Apple may have had a greater quantity of iPhone 8 ready for shipment this cycle. But I do think the pre-order crowd prefers the X over the 8, and presumably Apple would likely anticipate that. So I'm sure they're trying to build as sufficient inventory of X as they have for 8.

In any case, I assume this will forever put an end to the poorly thought out theories, continually posted by certain forum members, claiming that Apple deliberately holds back supply to create artificial scarcity (to stimulate demand). Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of business knows Apple would absolutely prefer to have sufficient supply, at every SKU, to satisfy the demand.

Unfortunately they can't predict the exact mix of quantities demanded at each and every SKU. To the extent their estimates are wrong--combined with a slower than planned production ramp and any other problems building inventory)--customers will have to wait past the release date. Some can't/won't wait, and will end up buying a competitor's phone, which costs Apple much more than just the profit on the phone.
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Though I teach Organizational Behavior now, I have a background in Operations and occasionally still teach an Operations class.

What people don't understand is that when launching a new product it is very difficult to have sufficient quantity.

Here is what is typically done. You forecast the expected average monthly demand for the product for the next year. You then procure enough production to produce these, i.e. you contract with a certain number of factories to produce a certain amount.

In order to have large quantities at launch, you have to have these factories produce units ahead of the launch. So, it you want 10X the average monthly volume ready at launch you have have 10 months lead time to amass the inventory.

People think that you can just have a factory tool up to make a bunch of phones and then tell them, "I don't need you any more." So, you can't just have a bunch of "extra" factories working for just the launch, although you can run extra shifts. The cost of tooling a factory and training workers makes that a non-starter for factories.

Also, every iPhone that is produced and is sitting in a warehouse represents money tied up in inventory. Yes, Apple has lots of money, but it is just bad business to tie up capital in inventory in warehouses, plus, I have seen cases where hundreds of thousands of units were produced and then a defect was discovered close to launch and every one of them had to be disassembled and fixed.

Now that is not to say that no one ever has messed with their supply on purpose to create demand, but you certainly don't do it with your flagship model.

This is more like the old "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, don't think zebras." Having enough to satisfy demand at launch is just hard, not a conspiracy.
 
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Nunyabinez said:
Though I teach Organizational Behavior now, I have a background in Operations and occasionally still teach an Operations class.

What people don't understand is that when launching a new product it is very difficult to have sufficient quantity.

Here is what is typically done. You forecast the expected average monthly demand for the product for the next year. You then procure enough production to produce these, i.e. you contract with a certain number of factories to produce a certain amount.

In order to have large quantities at launch, you have to have these factories produce units ahead of the launch. So, it you want 10X the average monthly volume ready at launch you have have 10 months lead time to amass the inventory.

People think that you can just have a factory tool up to make a bunch of phones and then tell them, "I don't need you any more." So, you can't just have a bunch of "extra" factories working for just the launch, although you can run extra shifts. The cost of tooling a factory and training workers makes that a non-starter for factories.

Also, every iPhone that is produced and is sitting in a warehouse represents money tied up in inventory. Yes, Apple has lots of money, but it is just bad business to tie up capital in inventory in warehouses, plus, I have seen cases where hundreds of thousands of units were produced and then a defect was discovered close to launch and every one of them had to be disassembled and fixed.

Now that is not to say that no one ever has messed with their supply on purpose to create demand, but you certainly don't do it with your flagship model.

This is more like the old "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, don't think zebras." Having enough to satisfy demand at launch is just hard, not a conspiracy.
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Or Apple could stop underestimating demand and have enough ready before they are so eager to hold their little dog and pony show. We don't NEED a new iPhone every year when 18 months is perfectly in sync with technological advances.
 
Sadly I didn't order early enough on the first day of pre-orders. Apple says I have to wait until approx. Oct. 13. My Apple TV gen. 4 should arrive by the end of the month, however.
 
kougra6541 said:
Supposedly you use your phone number as the reference number, but I can't get it to work for me, so I don't think I'm the best person to ask!
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Ok thanks, that didn't work for me either. I ordered within a minute of ordering opening on verizon. Shiping datea must vary per carrier.
 
nexusrule said:
97% of people buy a phone when their previous one gets old. So they don't really notice or care.

Also, implying people are stupid and don't know what they buy is really dumb.
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Where did I imply that people are stupid.

Just simply stated that once folks get the phone in hand and use it and then look at the previous phones at least the last 2 versions of the iPhone, they'd realize it's the same phone not much of a difference. Same LCD screen, same 3D Touch that I don't use at all, same Touchid and same camera. It even looks exactly the same since the 6.

When I bought my 6S plus then bought the 7 plus, I felt so stupid. I spent over a grand on the same phone that I paid nearly as much the previous years phone and the only difference I found was no physical home button. Everything else was exactly the same.

So that's why I'm saying folks really are going to realize they spent their money on the 8 when they could just wait and save and get the X later to notice a different phone.

As for me I'll be waiting for a gold version of the X. I have a feeling they'll release it later next year. Sticking with my jet black 7 plus till then.
 
Manzzle said:
Watch when folks get the 8 in a few days.

They gonna be like it's the same phone as the 7 and 6S they've already had.

Barely any difference.
Barely.
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Yeah, we get that. I have a 6, so it's three years old and due for a processor upgrade, an improved camera, and a fresh, full-capacity battery. I'll finally have Force Touch (or whatever it's called) instead of being left out, and I really need the Raise to Wake feature which isn't on the 6. The real biggie is the wireless charging; I've already gone thru a few Lightning cords as the plug wears out quickly.

So, it is somewhat of an improvement for me, even if it should really be called the 7s.
 
If I order ATV from a retailer today (Best Buy) rather than Apple itself, could it still get here for Friday? I'm in Canada, if that makes any difference.
 
Manzzle said:
Just simply stated that once folks get the phone in hand and use it and then look at the previous phones at least the last 2 versions of the iPhone, they'd realize it's the same phone not much of a difference. Same LCD screen, same 3D Touch that I don't use at all, same Touchid and same camera. It even looks exactly the same since the 6.
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Well, and I can see the comparison to the 6s and 7. Coming from the 6, however, about the only thing that HASN'T changed (noticeably) is the body. I still get

- much faster CPU
- 2x the RAM
- brighter screen
- Qi charging
- IP67
- better camera (better flash too) (also OIS)
- stereo speaker
- 3D touch

and that's just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head.
 
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Manzzle said:
Where did I imply that people are stupid.

Just simply stated that once folks get the phone in hand and use it and then look at the previous phones at least the last 2 versions of the iPhone, they'd realize it's the same phone not much of a difference. Same LCD screen, same 3D Touch that I don't use at all, same Touchid and same camera. It even looks exactly the same since the 6.

When I bought my 6S plus then bought the 7 plus, I felt so stupid. I spent over a grand on the same phone that I paid nearly as much the previous years phone and the only difference I found was no physical home button. Everything else was exactly the same.

So that's why I'm saying folks really are going to realize they spent their money on the 8 when they could just wait and save and get the X later to notice a different phone.

As for me I'll be waiting for a gold version of the X. I have a feeling they'll release it later next year. Sticking with my jet black 7 plus till then.
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I'm upgrading to an 8 Plus from a 6s Plus, and to me it's not identical. The screen is brighter, better color, the camera is better, the ISP is better, the speakers are better, water resistant, better chip, etc. To me, there's lot of updates really. Not sure how you feel it's almost identical to the 6s/7?

AND, honestly, the iPhone X is almost identical to the 8, except an OLED display, "true depth" front camera, and an OIS telephoto lens. Isn't it identical in every other way to the 8 (except the ugly notch) and a more sleek form factor? Yeah, it'll fit easier in someone's pant's pocket, but honestly I'm used to having big things in my pants, so I'm not too concerned about it.

And as for the form factor, I don't see people "embracing the notch" so much once it's in the way of all their apps. Oh, that's right, borders can be applied to mask the notch and rounded corners, which basically takes the screen real estate down to that of the iPhone 8. Sorry, but I see the iPhone X as something that will go down as a hated device in the future, where people will be foaming at the mouth to replace it in a year to the notch-less iPhone XI/whatever they call it...
 
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bunnicula said:
I used my order number minus the last two digits.
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I had not tried this. But, once I got my tracking# using my phone#, I could see 6 reference#'s associated with the tracking. My phone# is one of the 6 ref#'s, but I don't see anything resembling my order#. The last ref# looks like it could be my phone's serial#.

Edit: it is indeed my serial#...just checked it against Apple support
 
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My ATV4K...

Delivers 06 Oct, 2017 - 13 Oct, 2017

:(

Maybe I'm meant to cancel anyway. I don't think it supports Atmos or DTS:X.
 
I was thinking about this a few nights ago, and honestly I truly believe that the iPhone X is a testing platform for better depth sensing capabilities along with AR support. My prediction is that in the next few iterations of iPhones, the rear camera will have a depth camera built in, and you will use it to take 3D scans of things/environments. I really think they're going to strongly use this tech in AR in the future, and the iPhone X is the starting point to it with the front camera.

Because I think highly-adopted AR is going to be the next revolutionary way we use our mobile devices in the near future, I am fine skipping the iPhone X since the rear camera doesn't have the depth sensing built in.
 
Rafterman said:
I had one of the Samsung phone watches, the Gear S2. For that model when your phone was in range of the watch, the phone did all the work. You could still answer and make calls with the watch, but it did it through the phone.

If the watch can't detect the phone, then your carrier "detects" this, and any phone calls to your cell phone's number are diverted to the watch. AT&T calls it "NumberSync". The watch still has it's own phone number, but once NumberSync is on, your cell phone and watch share the phone's number.

I assume Apple will work the same way?
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No, Rafterman. I do not assume that behavior at all.
[But of course I may be wrong. Caveat: I do not own or have used a Samsung wearable. So the reasoning below may just be FUBAR.]

Hear me out:
  1. The Samsung Gear has a separate, unique cell number assigned, different than the phone. Correct?
  2. Two numbers; two distinct paths -- for both text and calling!
  3. Creates two independent identities for the same subscriber at the remote end!
  4. Locally forwarding one endpoint onto the other does route to one, but demands two separate identities at the remote caller end.
  5. Even then, forwarding demands explicit user input.
  6. Simply detecting "closeness" does not help, because the selection may be wrong (Can dream multiple use cases that guess the wrong precedence.)
The AW3.LTE preserves the same cell number: A single identity for two endpoints -- sometimes together, sometimes afar.

My guess?
Regardless of geographical "closeness" (as long as both are active on the carrier):
  1. For incoming calls, there is AND behavior (both "ring" or "get the bubble"); and
  2. For outgoing calls, there is OR behavior (only one-of-two gets "dial tone" and thus can "call" or "send a bubble").
This because it "just works".
That is my guess. And i may be wrong.
 
jpcarro said:
Are you using your "billing" phone number? This worked for me with UPS.
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Yes, I tried my cell phone number (which is also the billing number) my home phone number which is tied to my address and the order number minus the last two digits.

I had the same issue when I ordered my MacBook, I never was able to pull it up with these methods, but it was still delivered on the right day!
 
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