Incidentally, the place I first learned about different separators in different countries was from the old Numbers control panel in good old Mac OS 7.
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Incidentally, the place I first learned about different separators in different countries was from the old Numbers control panel in good old Mac OS 7.
To the curious: On your Mac, go to "System Preferences", "Language and Text", "Region" and have a look at all the different possibilities.
Probably because there's nothing new to talk about on the subject of the Mac Pro. Some bloggers released a video rolling a Mac Pro on a table. What is there to talk about?
Wrong. Watch the WWDC video, it says "later this year". No mention of fall in any of it, the first mention of fall was the version of the promo that showed in movie theatres which was a while after WWDC.
ok. I really don't even care anyway.. can we at least agree on this being a stupid thing to argue about?
Then move on. Unless of course you can't.
Being dumb because you can't be smart is not good.
Some heavy use here, lots of real time effects on 4k video (red raw) with no dropped frames and it didn't get any louder. Earlier they had tested playing back 16 simultaneous streams of 4k without any issues.
http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/art...th-apple-s-new-mac-pro-and-final-cut-pro-10-1
No? Germany and the Scandinavian countries use "." for thousand delimiter and "," as decimal separator. Using a German version of MS Excel is painful. If you are European as you claim, you should know better than to generalise like that.
Brits do it the American way, except for the weird date format of the Us. Just saying...
Because you would trust IO-intensive stuff to a non-RAID SSD setup
Oh, and if you are going to be editing multi-angle 4K video you a) will not have enough space on the built-in SSD to actually do anything useful, unless your source is compressed to begin with, b) given that sequential write endurance of modern day MLC flash (we have no idea whether Apple is using MLC or TLC, and the latter is much worse) is about 35*capacity, you will literally burn through your SSD in no time with most IO-intensive stuff, and finally c) most "professional" stuff is compute/ram-intense and not IO-intense
With that in mind my point stands, unless you actually care to qualify what you mean by "that kind of performance" and what professionals you have in mind...
The more get nicked, the more sales Apple will have- no doubt the usual "insurance will pay" thinking is at play...
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Yes, but look at your average, even a "video pro", use case… Machine starts up a few milliseconds to seconds faster with PCIe SSD vs SATA SSD- who cares- at worst the machine is switched on once a day; an application takes a few milliseconds to seconds less to launch- who cares- you launch the application once; data IO takes a few milliseconds to seconds less- who cares- most of the time data spends in a "compute" state...
That's because the race to be first always beats content and value. People have messed-up priorities these days. Reviews aren't reviews any more. They're commercials for the product, or just self-aggrandizement for the "reviewer". Try to find any mass media critique of any high profile products. Consumer Reports isn't even a consideration, as they are also pretty heavily influenced by the interests of corporate appeasement. These days it takes about thirty low-level blogs and "info" sites all saying the same critical thing before any large players take up the banner themselves. Fear of lawsuits, or lost advertising. I see it with news about local political corruption. No one wants to do real journalism today, so what's left over is given the title "journalism" by default, wrongly.
Because you would trust IO-intensive stuff to a non-RAID SSD setup
The idea of this Mac Pro seems to be that you would pair it with an external RAID or SSD for large edit projects. The computer itself has been refined to offer the best possible performance in CPU and GPU power, without all the heating, electricity requirements and bulk of the typical desktop. A PCIe drive and Thunderbolt 2 ports make this possible in a small package that is unobtrusive and quiet.
How long before 3rd party "red cases" start showing up for nMP?
I can see it now…."Flip This Mac" videos on YouTube.
How I turned $3000 into hundreds of thousands INSTANTLY (with just a little bit of red plastic) .
I can see it now…."Flip This Mac" videos on YouTube.
How I turned $3000 into hundreds of thousands INSTANTLY (with just a little bit of red plastic) .
Yeah. I'm not in the heads of the design team, but everything I've seen points to the idea that you don't use the internal storage for anything but the system and apps. I don't know why you'd want your "I/O intensive" work files anywhere other than on external enclosures (of whatever flavor, configuration and RAID level suits you). Maybe there are applications where the speed even of Tbolt2 just isn't good enough and you absolutely must use the internal storage for working, but that's not how I see this system as designed to be used.
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I'm not so delusional as to consider the design team had me in mind when they came up with this stuff, but FWIW I have a use case where I do care.
There are a couple of Windows-only apps that I choose not to do without, so I run a Windows 7 VM using Parallels. In the spinny-drive days I would leave that VM on in the background a lot so my apps would load in a reasonable amount of time. Not too long ago I replaced my main system drive with your run-of-the-mill M4 SSD, and the difference was night and day. Now I can boot the VM and load into the apps so quickly I don't mind shutting down the VM as soon as I'm done with the apps, which makes everything else run nicer.
I'm very much looking forward to enjoying that process running even faster on the new set-up.
To us Germans nothing they do in England makes any sense. Things either have sense (attached to them) or they don't have sense, but they can't make it. Sense can never be created, depending on its definition sense can only found to be true with something or not. Sense is metadata.
You are only ignorant, if you willingly choose to ignore facts, that you actually know about. Therefore to call someone ignorant is considered to be an insult in Germany. It means you refuse to think and believe in something to be true despite better knowledge. You should rather feel uninformed. Which is much more forgivable.Holy mother, I feel so ignorant right now
Upvoted you. Thanks for teaching this stubborn mule something new!
GPUs
ok, sorry about my post regarding decimal points and thousand delimiters. Didn't realise so many had already pointed it out.
Now, back on topic. Seems like Xeon over i7 can be justified by 8 and 12 core configs since i7 maxes out on 6 cores (not 4 as stated before, you do get them in 6 core configs).
However, in the GPU department. How about R9 290X 4GB? Would it be like the D300, D500 or the D700?
Seriously, I never understood the "workstation class graphics". The nVidia gaming cards are crippled for GPGPU use just to sell the *&%ç expensive calculation cards that use last years tech. (For those that doesn't know, nVidia has turned off double precision on the "consumer" cards so that the guys just to charge 4-5 times higher price for old GPUs, calling them Quadro and Tesla). edit: actually not turned off, but severely limited
Back to topic again, AMD doesn't cripple their "gaming" cards in the same way so if you want to buy GPGPU on the cheap, go AMD. Unfortunately Cuda is still in the lead when it comes to tooling. I really hope Apple contributes here. After releasing OpenCL (ok, they where not alone, but if not for Apple, Cuda would be all we'd have, just saying) I haven't seen much. Now that the pro Apple users will soon have these machines that seems like made to make use of OpenCL, it seriously needs to be the focus of the next version of XCode.
Thoughts?
ok, sorry about my post regarding decimal points and thousand delimiters. Didn't realise so many had already pointed it out.
Now, back on topic. Seems like Xeon over i7 can be justified by 8 and 12 core configs since i7 maxes out on 6 cores (not 4 as stated before, you do get them in 6 core configs).
However, in the GPU department. How about R9 290X 4GB? Would it be like the D300, D500 or the D700?
Seriously, I never understood the "workstation class graphics". The nVidia gaming cards are crippled for GPGPU use just to sell the *&%ç expensive calculation cards that use last years tech. (For those that doesn't know, nVidia has turned off double precision on the "consumer" cards so that the guys just to charge 4-5 times higher price for old GPUs, calling them Quadro and Tesla). edit: actually not turned off, but severely limited
Back to topic again, AMD doesn't cripple their "gaming" cards in the same way so if you want to buy GPGPU on the cheap, go AMD. Unfortunately Cuda is still in the lead when it comes to tooling. I really hope Apple contributes here. After releasing OpenCL (ok, they where not alone, but if not for Apple, Cuda would be all we'd have, just saying) I haven't seen much. Now that the pro Apple users will soon have these machines that seems like made to make use of OpenCL, it seriously needs to be the focus of the next version of XCode.
Thoughts?
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And just to be completely annoying to everyone, French-speaking Canada uses the comma and a space to separate thousands.
