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they had gone from a ball to a sensor. That was magic
Magic? It wasn’t magic, it was science. It was alllll science :)
And rumors are pointing to an ARM MacBook soon.
You know, if an ARM MacBook is efficient enough to have the CPU and internals in the display panel, the canilever’ed design might be an interesting result. You could even have a USB-C port on either end of the base :)
I often have to go to control center before the bug goes away.
I have seen this in the past but, for me, it usually just takes rotating my iPad Pro 180 degrees.
That's always the case. The attitude is "I have no need for this...therefore NO ONE has a need for this".
And the ever popular, “Other companies may make a thing that suits my needs, but theirs doesn’t come with an Apple logo on it, so it’s absolutely unsuitable. EITHER APPLE MAKES WHAT I WANT OR I’M NOT BUYING!” :}
It's always easy for Apple to hit home runs when the media that covers them lobs slow grapefruits over the plate all the time.
Well, PLUS they have to make things that a fairly decent number of people will buy. In the end, if people don’t like this product, it will likely be due more to their personal experience with it than whether or not the media that covers them gives them a pass.
Frankly I don’t understand the hate regarding the Magic Keyboard case.
Maybe it’s because it’s another reminder of where Apple’s focus is nowadays. And, will likely continue to be.
Apple's price gouging and "think we know best" attitude just lately.
That’s not lately, that’s pretty much their entire history. It’s the way they operate. They’ve always been more expensive than other options and they’ve always done the “we know best” thing (no legacy ports on the iMac). The difference is whether or not you agree with them knowing best. If you felt that giving up SCSI was worth getting USB, then you’d be fine with “we know best”. They still think they know best as they always have, but there’s a new generation of folks that are deciding “yeah, I’m fine with what they think is best”.
my Gen 2 iPad Pro may be my last.

Unfortunate...
Not unfortunate. Apple is focusing their marketing and products on a completely different demographic now. The fact that they are not making products that you like is to be expected after a time.
 
Considering it weighs about 590g, you wouldn’t want to flip it back and keep holding it while using the iPad as a tablet. I find doing that with the current SKF already cumbersome and don’t understand the fascination with this capability. Just popping it out of the folio is far easier and less unwieldy.

That being said, the weight is crazy. That’s heavier than the 11” Brydge Pro+ and that thing’s made out of aluminum. I have the OG version for my 12.9” and my biggest criticism of it is its weight. I love the feel and look but it’s a brick.

If Brydge would just update the Pro+ to have full gesture capabilities, looks like it might be a better overall solution—much better viewing angle options, extra function row, better build quality.

I have a Magic Keyboard coming this week but I’m having reservations on whether it’s a worthwhile replacement for my SKF.
Because for me, the iPad never comes out of the SKF case. I use it 90% of the time with the keyboard folded back behind it.
 
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Do you use a case DNichter? I would likely have kept my order for the Magic Keyboard but since I already own the Smart Keyboard Folio, also not cheap, and really enjoy the case and relative compactness. I also move around all the time between home, class, study halls, etc. I keep my MacBook Pro and iPad Pro in my book bag all the time, another reason why I cancelled my magic keyboard order.

Yea I use the smart folio, keep it on all of time. I really only move between two offices so I keep a trackpad/mouse combo at each. Without the ability to use comfortably on the couch also, I don’t see the point in spending more money. Too much in and out of a case is a pain to me.
 
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For me the odd design choice with this keyboard case means that your ipad, when used as a tablet, is now complete naked and unprotected when separated from the case. So you risk marking or scratching the back when placing it down to use flat.

I think Apple should have made a two part case. I wonder if you can still skin the back of the ipad and still use this keyword case?
 
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Uhhh...for those like me that so many are claiming are being negative, instead of being critical and wanting more from a company we love...I present you the Logitech Combo Touch.

The linked product is NOT for the iPad Pro but seems like it could have been a perfectly viable replacement to the Smart Keyboard Folio, possibly in addition to the Magic Keyboard.

Backlit keys...check
Function key row...check
Infinitely adjustable kickstand...check
Instantly detachable keyboard...fine, since it doesn’t appear to be able to fold behind iPad
Trackpad...check (this format could also support larger version that Magic Keyboard)
$150...check

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/combo-touch.html?crid=1762

This is the product I said I wanted Apple to have made. Yes, it’s not as lappable...and this and that. But if anyone could have figured it out, it would be Apple.

Apple’s version would obviously have been more expensive than the Logitech one, but I have no doubt they would have made it better in every way.
 

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Uhhh...for those like me that so many are claiming are being negative, instead of being critical and wanting more from a company we love...I present you the Logitech Combo Touch.

The linked product is NOT for the iPad Pro but seems like it could have been a perfectly viable replacement to the Smart Keyboard Folio, possibly in addition to the Magic Keyboard.

Backlit keys...check
Function key row...check
Infinitely adjustable kickstand...check
Instantly detachable keyboard...fine, since it doesn’t appear to be able to fold behind iPad
Trackpad...check (this format could also support larger version that Magic Keyboard)
$150...check

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/combo-touch.html?crid=1762

This is the product I said I wanted Apple to have made. Yes, it’s not as lappable...and this and that. But if anyone could have figured it out, it would be Apple.

Apple’s version would obviously have been more expensive than the Logitech one, but I have no doubt they would have made it better in every way.
This actually ticks all the boxes. They should consider this design for the Pros. Maybe they don't think they'll get the volume of sales when going against Apples offerings?
 
Is this post sarcastic or a serious question?
No, I’m actually dead serious. These people look to be struggling while opening it up and it always looks awkward. You know how there’s that little indentation in the middle of the MacBook bases to put your finger in to ease separation? I’m surprised they didn’t incorporate something like that. An obvious place to separate it from. If there is less force required to open than it looks then it won’t be an issue, but we’ll see.
 
This is VERY true...

And unfortunately, true for much of what Apple has been up to lately.

Many folks will say: "Jobs is dead. Move on." But the reality of it is, Jobs was all about form and function -- combined. This keyboard misses that on many bullet points. I would say the latest two versions of the iPad miss them as well (overly thin -- form losing out to functionality). The latest iPad OS misses -- it's stale and multitasking is a joke, the touch strip on the Macbook Pro misses, Catalina is a mess, the last version of the Macbook keyboard definitely misses. I could go on and on.

Apple has lost its path under Cook. Are they making money? Absolutely. Are they losing customers? Maybe not yet, but I've seen a lot more disappointment on this site over the past couple of years than I thought I would on a fan site -- and it's definitely more disappointment than I used to see here.

Cook got Apple over the bridge from Jobs, but he's overstayed his welcome as far as I'm concerned. We need new blood for this company. I never in a million years thought I'd be eyeballing the competition as much as I have over the past couple of years. 2020 may very well see me going to the Surface Pro X and an Android phone. I'm not quite there yet with my Macbook, but with a Surface Pro X, I might wander away a bit more there, too.

It's time for a new visionary and new management. Thank you Tim for what you've done, but it's time to leave.

I agree but this keyboard is just way out of apple’s norm.
 


The first Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro orders have begun arriving to some customers ahead of schedule, and some have posted hands-on videos online.



Seven videos from two iPad Pro users have appeared online so far, offering the first close look at the new Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro.

The first video appeared in Thai, featuring the unboxing experience of the Magic Keyboard. Other videos by the same user have given a look at the USB-C port on the hinge of the Magic Keyboard, which is used for passthrough charging, as well as the brightness of the backlit keys.

There have since been four videos in English by YouTube user MrExitStrategy, covering many of the new key features. The first of these shows the hinge system of the case, which provides a "floating" cantilevered design for smooth viewing angle adjustments of up to 130 degrees.



There is also a look at the preferences pane of the Magic Keyboard in the Settings app, revealing that the keyboard backlighting brightness may be changed manually or automatically adjusted based on ambient lighting conditions.



The most recent video offers a more detailed comparison of the Magic Keyboard with the Smart Folio Keyboard, and walks through some of the new trackpad gestures in iPadOS 13.4. This video suggests that the trackpad uses a mechanical click rather than haptic feedback. The cantilevered design is tested for stability, including for use with Apple Pencil.



Earlier this week, the Magic Keyboard became available for order online alongside the new iPhone SE, and most deliveries are expected to begin arriving next week.

Article Link: First Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro Hands-On Videos Appear Online
I have a magic keyboard on order for my new 12.9 iPad Pro. I live most of the time these days in Thailand. On the US apple.com/en-us website there are about 8 languages supported so I had assumed that the Thai version wouldn't be released until later. Then I saw these videos on 9-5 Mac and the first two are in Thai. So I went back to the US site and of course no Thai so I called support who said they couldn't get anything not listed. I checked apple.com/th and sure enough the bi-lingual keyboard is listed. The support person said (very helpfully NOT) that I could cancel my current order and order from Thailand.
One of the most frustrating things about Apple for me as a customer that lives in two countries is that Apple will not ship internationally. I've run though this before and it drives me nuts. I don't know of a single major company other than them that won't. What it means is that if I order the bi-lingual Thai keyboard I have to have it shipped to a friend in Thailand then have him ship it to me in the US. It is more expensive than the US version, I would need to pay international shipping and probably pay import duties in the US. So the already ridiculously expensive keyboard would be close to $500 and take a mont to get here. What's absurd is that they all come from China anyway which is why the standard shipping is is between one and two weeks. So I bought a $6.99 set of stickers on Amazon which will look pretty hinky on a $350 keyboard but I guess will do the job.
 
This actually ticks all the boxes. They should consider this design for the Pros. Maybe they don't think they'll get the volume of sales when going against Apples offerings?
I highly doubt that’s what holding logitech back. Apple and Logitech probably entered into some agreement that prohibits them from releasing one just yet- otherwise they would have released their version with their other offering.
 
Uhhh...for those like me that so many are claiming are being negative, instead of being critical and wanting more from a company we love...I present you the Logitech Combo Touch.

The linked product is NOT for the iPad Pro but seems like it could have been a perfectly viable replacement to the Smart Keyboard Folio, possibly in addition to the Magic Keyboard.

Backlit keys...check
Function key row...check
Infinitely adjustable kickstand...check
Instantly detachable keyboard...fine, since it doesn’t appear to be able to fold behind iPad
Trackpad...check (this format could also support larger version that Magic Keyboard)
$150...check

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/combo-touch.html?crid=1762

This is the product I said I wanted Apple to have made. Yes, it’s not as lappable...and this and that. But if anyone could have figured it out, it would be Apple.

Apple’s version would obviously have been more expensive than the Logitech one, but I have no doubt they would have made it better in every way.

Apple *did* figure it out. They made it lappable...and this and that. And they are selling it.
 
Uhhh...for those like me that so many are claiming are being negative, instead of being critical and wanting more from a company we love...I present you the Logitech Combo Touch.

The linked product is NOT for the iPad Pro but seems like it could have been a perfectly viable replacement to the Smart Keyboard Folio, possibly in addition to the Magic Keyboard.

Backlit keys...check
Function key row...check
Infinitely adjustable kickstand...check
Instantly detachable keyboard...fine, since it doesn’t appear to be able to fold behind iPad
Trackpad...check (this format could also support larger version that Magic Keyboard)
$150...check

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/combo-touch.html?crid=1762

This is the product I said I wanted Apple to have made. Yes, it’s not as lappable...and this and that. But if anyone could have figured it out, it would be Apple.

Apple’s version would obviously have been more expensive than the Logitech one, but I have no doubt they would have made it better in every way.

Logitech hasn’t made this for the iPad Pro because of one very specific hardware difference—the location of the smart connector. They had the nearly identical Slim Combo for the previous generations of 12.9” iPP because it also had the smart connector located on the bottom edge but didn’t carry over the design to the 3rd gen 12.9” model because of this hardware change. The only option they’ve had since then is the Slim Folio, an integrated clamshell design that uses Bluetooth.
 
Uhhh...for those like me that so many are claiming are being negative, instead of being critical and wanting more from a company we love...I present you the Logitech Combo Touch.

The linked product is NOT for the iPad Pro but seems like it could have been a perfectly viable replacement to the Smart Keyboard Folio, possibly in addition to the Magic Keyboard.

Backlit keys...check
Function key row...check
Infinitely adjustable kickstand...check
Instantly detachable keyboard...fine, since it doesn’t appear to be able to fold behind iPad
Trackpad...check (this format could also support larger version that Magic Keyboard)
$150...check

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/combo-touch.html?crid=1762

This is the product I said I wanted Apple to have made. Yes, it’s not as lappable...and this and that. But if anyone could have figured it out, it would be Apple.

Apple’s version would obviously have been more expensive than the Logitech one, but I have no doubt they would have made it better in every way.
I’m sure Apple thought of this, but had reasons for leaving it to Logitech for the lower-end iPads (Apple reportedly worked with Logitech on this). I liked the ability of the Smart Keyboard Folio to fold back, though the original model that had the second flap was somewhat better since it was awkward having nonworking keys in folded back mode. I’ll get my Magic Keyboard on Tuesday, so I’ll see for myself, but I think I’ll get used to pulling my iPad Pro off the keyboard when I want to use it to take notes, etc.
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This is VERY true...

And unfortunately, true for much of what Apple has been up to lately.

Many folks will say: "Jobs is dead. Move on." But the reality of it is, Jobs was all about form and function -- combined. This keyboard misses that on many bullet points. I would say the latest two versions of the iPad miss them as well (overly thin -- form losing out to functionality). The latest iPad OS misses -- it's stale and multitasking is a joke, the touch strip on the Macbook Pro misses, Catalina is a mess, the last version of the Macbook keyboard definitely misses. I could go on and on.

It's time for a new visionary and new management. Thank you Tim for what you've done, but it's time to leave.

Yes, because the hockey puck mouse was so functional, as was the G4 Cube. And Steve Jobs would never have released a MacBook Air that ran so hot its dual core chip had to shut off a core when opening more than a few tabs in Safari...

Catalina is a mess, but so was Leopard. I’m guessing 2020 will be focused on fixing the bugs. That said, Steve Jobs was completely the type of person who would have dropped 32-bit app support. And I think he’d have loved the 12” MacBook. Going all-in on USB-C and then Thunderbolt sounds exactly like a Jobsian move.

Probably the product that misses Steve Jobs’s influence the most is the iPad. He was behind its start, but didn’t get a chance to move it forward.
 
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Weight of 12.9” iPad magic keyboardis 710g
 

Weight of 12.9” iPad magic keyboardis 710g

umm. Wow
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Wow I didn’t expect all of the negative comments. As far as weight, the Scissor switch keyboard, plus Backlighting, hinge for perfect angle steadiness, and trackpad I assumed would add weight. I’m still looking forward to the trackpad. Of course I’d want it as light as a feather, but I’d be missing too much by canceling. The pass through charging is just a bonus for my personal usage.
 
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The iPad OS needs some kind of cross-program integration. For instance, I am an Academic, I used a citation manager called endnote, and need to put the citations into a word document, and be able to change their styles on the fly. Currently, this functionality doesn't exist, and it is a killer for me being able to use this device in any meaningful way.
 
Basically, this case converts your 1.4lbs iPad into a 3lbs laptop that runs iPadOS. So, would you spend about $1,350 to have a laptop that run iPadOS rather than MacOS ? If the answer is yes, then this is the right case for you. If no, then get a MacBook Air.
 
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Weight of 12.9” iPad magic keyboardis 710g

So it weighs more than the 12.9 iPad itself or about the same as 1.5 iPad Airs (or about a Surface Pro 7)
 
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Considering sending mine back when it arrives. Not liking the quality from what I’ve seen online, trackpad not being haptic, no top row keys, and limited angles are just too many negatives for a $300+ keyboard.

Has there being news if Logitech will release a case/keyboard/mouse track to complete with Apple’s? I’m much more interested in their solution. IMO it’s a much better product at a better price as well.
 
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