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the waterfall effect is being exaggerated here,
also, programs would have been invented, operating systems would have been invented, languages would have been invented. Steve jobs isn't praised as being an inventor, but as someone who pushed people to invent, or innovate

Then the same can be said of Steve Jobs. People think that if Jobs didnt make iPhone we'd still be stuck on blackberry type phones, which isn't true.
 
the waterfall effect is being exaggerated here,
also, programs would have been invented, operating systems would have been invented, languages would have been invented. Steve jobs isn't praised as being an inventor, but as someone who pushed people to invent, or innovate

Exactly, text based languages existed before C, Windows came from DOS, originally QDOS that Microsof acquired, Windows itself with the GUI, is from Apple by proxy, and of course Alan Kay and Xerox which in turn got ideas for that from Douglas Engelbart. There certainly would be programs, we would not be programming in binary, Unix may not have existed, but it's not entirely an invension of Ritchie but other people at Bell labs as well.


Dennis Ritchie's work is seen in basically every computer on the planet, almost ever. Dude gets almost ZERO coverage compared to a marketing genius like Steve Jobs. The complaint is valid. Dude deserves much more recognition.

I'm not saying the he doesn't deserve more recognition, but that has nothing to do with Steve Jobs, and is no reason to say things about their contribution that is clearly not true.
 
So for anyone keeping track of the various Steve Jobs books and films since his passing, here's a recap:

Movies
  • Jobs starring Ashton Kutcher (2013)
  • iSteve parody starring Justin Long (2013)
  • Steve Jobs: The Man in the Machine (September 2015)
  • Steve Jobs starring Michael Fassbender (October 2015)
Books
  • Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson (2011)
  • Becoming Steve Jobs (2015)
Full list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artistic_depictions_of_Steve_Jobs

I was just about to start my own list of Jobs related media because it's getting ridiculous. I guess his image and personality is just extremely marketable, not unlike Apple's products... and his legacy and image certainly go hand in hand with Apple's brand image, so any hype is probably good for them.
 
I think we can celebrate that man's achievements by not having a movie or documentary released every 6 months about him, regardless of how accurate or poor they are done.
 
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Nobody is defending a soulless maniacal slave driver. The problem with your statement is just that your assessment of Steve Jobs is completely wrong. Cue the people throwing wild accusations around without understanding the person in any way.

Excuse me, but who are YOU to discard the characterization we've heard from countless employees under Jobs' command?
 
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So....Woz basically called Steve a blatant liar in this snippet.... Yikes. I don't use anything but Apple products, but that's a hard pill to swallow. Not only that, I really try to like the people behind the products I use. Call it OCD, call it what you will, but hearing things like that, like Steve had little to no integrity is ugly. This of course is not the first time I have heard such things.
 
Yeah, Eddy, let's not pretend Steve wasn't a dick. It is what it is.

Reading your post, what are you? Manipulative ("let's not pretend"), insulting ("dick"), and of course it's easy to complain about and to accuse someone who is dead. Do you think you are a better man than Steve Jobs? And do you think you have any redeeming qualities? Feel free to explain yourself.
 
".... portrays Jobs as both a tech visionary and unapologetic leader..." Now it make sense. Apple never accept or apology for their mistakes. They always came up with some lame excuses to the point that you just shut up and get a lawyer instead.
 
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Excuse me, but who are YOU to discard the characterization we've heard from countless employees under Jobs' command?

There is always someone complaining; in this case definitely not "countless", but a handful. And you don't hear the ones who were absolutely fine with him. It seems that as years go by, it's getting worse and worse in some people's mind.

Many people have had worse bosses than Steve Jobs. Since there is no slavery, nobody was forced to work for him. And many, many people working for him have created work that they will be proud of for the rest of their life. That's what other bosses are lacking, the redeeming feature that they led their employees to success. Would you rather have a boss you mistreats you just out of pure stupidity, or someone who forces you to do the best work you are capable of doing?
 
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I never remember Apple in the UK, but I see the price at which they launched and laugh, no one would have paid that as a consumer. We just had all these cheap stuff you hooked up to your TV and cost £100, not £1400....

First I heard of Apple was those terrible PCs they made in the late 90s, they were a laughing stock and all us Windows users were disgusted by them. Wasn't until the iPod that Apple became a thing and Macs have only recently started to become popular thanx to the iPhone and iPad.
Well you missed a great era with the Mac Plus and some of the great ones running Classic Mac OS as well as OS X before the iPod.
 
I certainly prefer the look of this to the Fassbender film.

That said, I have seen Steve Jobs so much in keynotes and interviews, I don't feel the need to see this either.

There isn't really any need to make a film about Steve Jobs. He spoke for himself. I thought he was a great man.
 
Fantastic.

Eddy afraid people may find it mean-spirited but we actually love Steve. If you take something away from him, that won't be Steve Jobs anymore.

It may be the best movie about him. This one and Pirates.
 
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That is what I say, do you know what implies to do the things he did when no one understood? There was not even internet. Look.... even Jesus got murdered to try to change things. John Lenon too. I do not know how Einstein did it. But people who wants to change things and create will hit many barriers.
Whatever you do you will always have critics for free. The same guy who wrote jobs bio did one for Einstein, I haven't read it but has nice reviews.
 
I think he could have made even better products faster if he just nice.

This is utter conjecture. Let me say right now that I would never have tolerated working for someone like Jobs. He could be erratic and mean but driving a singular vision, especially when you tend to be ahead of your time, is generally not something that happens while being nice. A lot of what people interpret as "nice" is getting along, adopting other people's opinions into your greater framework and compromise.

Jobs clearly did not operate like this. The man is no saint but to think that his attitude wasn't part of how he built what he built is ridiculous. It was very important. Gotta take the good with the bad and generally, after you passing, people who remember you will paint you in the light that best suits them and it's eerily biased.
 
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